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|Sep-05-12|| ||Shams: Unfortunately the clever idea to do an end-run around the Electoral College, via interstate compacts that pledge each state's electors to the winner of the National Popular Vote, are probably illegal as things currently stand.|
|Sep-05-12|| ||TheFocus: <TD> <Inception> A true horror movie about the U.S. Electoral College.|
Not to be confused with the movies: <Conception>, <Reception> , or <Deception>.
Those ceptions will get you every time.
|Sep-05-12|| ||Deus Ex Alekhina: I haven't read Jonathon Swift in a long time, but I think he had a few interesting ideas on how leaders can be found for a country.|
|Sep-05-12|| ||Wayne Proudlove: I thought the electoral college is where you go to learn how to fill out your ballot. Aha.|
|Sep-05-12|| ||Wayne Proudlove: Does anyone else come home from work, put a "Two And A Half Men" repeat on TV in the background and soon think "Did I really just hear that?"|
|Sep-05-12|| ||harrylime: The American system of democracy where a President has to stand down even though he/she is doing/accomplishing/achieving ... and is still the BEST for that role ..|
Well it sucks lol
|Sep-05-12|| ||I play the Fred: <harry> No one should have a career in politics, and certainly not in a single office.|
|Sep-05-12|| ||Wayne Proudlove: Re: the American president "doing, accomplishing, achieving":
Dude, what planet are you from?|
|Sep-05-12|| ||Jim Bartle: <Does anyone else come home from work, put a "Two And A Half Men" repeat on TV in the background and soon think "Did I really just hear that?">|
Definitely, but it happened even more with "Will & Grace."
|Sep-05-12|| ||Wayne Proudlove: Didn't watch that one, but I know it was about a gay man and his bestest woman friend.|
|Sep-05-12|| ||Wayne Proudlove: Elliott Murphy, "Hangin' Out":
|Sep-05-12|| ||Travis Bickle: <harrylime: The Kennedy myth is iconic.. What if he'd lived up to all of the hope .. In 68' he'd have been saying goodbye anyway.. |
This is what I find absurd about American democracy.>
What I find absurd about Britain is their brainwashed mentality toward "The Royal Family", now just a figurehead with no political power at all. The Royal's just take millions of pounds from the English commoners to live a life of luxury, ala The Princes latest episode in Las Vegas. lol
|Sep-05-12|| ||optimal play: <Jim Bartle><: Yes, Kennedy would have left in 1968. But remember, an awful lot of scandal came out about Kennedy after his death> But he still saved the world from a nuclear holocaust in October 1962. Imagine if Nixon had been elected in 1960? He'd have probably attacked Cuba and started WWIII|
|Sep-05-12|| ||HeMateMe: <Limey> Some of us think Europeon democracy is moronic, what with a newly elected PM having to "form a cabinet". That means every fringe group somehow has a say.|
How does anything actually get done over there?
|Sep-05-12|| ||technical draw: I prefer the "President for Life" system. (that is if I'm the president).|
|Sep-05-12|| ||Shams: <HeMateMe> Parliamentary democracy is a superior system to our own. The executive has much less power, which is wise. And the presence of viable third parties is also a good thing.|
|Sep-05-12|| ||Wayne Proudlove: Actually, it hasn't been the system itself that has caused America's biggest problems. The United States is renowned by scholars, diplomats, intellectuals, etc. for the ingenious design of its constitution and government.
The problem is deeper-rooted.
harrylime's complaint about a two-term president is superficial.
|Sep-06-12|| ||Shams: <Wayne> The first airplanes were ingeniously designed too, but that doesn't mean there haven't been improvements since then. I think the general consensus among political scientists is that there are better systems of government.|
|Sep-06-12|| ||Wayne Proudlove: The beautiful thing in the U.S. is that no one is above the law. No constitution safeguards that golden rule like the U.S.'s.
If you set the laws and then adhere to them to the letter, then you're gonna get results.|
|Sep-06-12|| ||Shams: <The beautiful thing in the U.S. is that no one is above the law.> |
Throw this out on the Rogoff forum and see what sort of reception you get.
|Sep-06-12|| ||Wayne Proudlove: I can actually explain the condition of how people today regard traditional texts like the U.S. Constitution.
They feel it has no centre, that a thousand interpretations are possible, that the language and meaning are dated, that there's no real science of man or ideas.
That's because a few decades ago it became fashionable in academia and therefore in the real world to question classic texts on these grounds because stylish Europe was doing a similar thing with its texts; however cultural tradition weighs heavier on the European consciousness as opposed to how Jersey Shore, for example, weighs on the imagination of the North American populace.
That's why straightforward, essentialist, common sense texts are more necessary here at this time in history.|
|Sep-06-12|| ||jessicafischerqueen: <Travis> what happened to the Princes in LA? Was it like that Christian Slater movie "Very Bad something or other"?|
|Sep-06-12|| ||HeMateMe: <Shams> In many ways we already have the multiparty system, like Europe has. The Tea Party is represented by hard liners. The Green Party is represented by Al Gore types. The hard right conservatives are represented by Romney/Ryan. The center left liberals are the Obama group. And, Newt Gingrich has no group.|
Instead of wasting time with a chief executive managing all of these peoples different interests in forming a government, they come on board as Senators and Representaives. They influence our laws and behaviors in that way, more efficiently. Their maneuvers are consolidated and funelled up to the top, where they can pass laws, override the president, and ultimately influence the legislative branch by gaining the presidency and picking new Supreme Court judges.
All this influence can be realized at the Congressional level, without the CEO, Obama, being handcuffed by conflicts. I wouldn't want a system where "early elections" are called, and a president suddenly has to leave in 3 weeks, like they do it in England. That seems contrary to letting a president make long range plans, and give him/her time tweak these plans and realize success.
|Sep-06-12|| ||Wayne Proudlove: Since I'm on a roll...
Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe once wrote, "A great artist... must be shaken by the naked truths that will not be comforted."
To which I can only reply, "Unfortunately."
|Sep-06-12|| ||optimal play: Bob Dylan - Lay Down Your Weary Tune [unreleased]
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