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Frank James Marshall vs Georg Marco
Paris (1900)  ·  Queen's Gambit Declined: Modern Variation (D53)  ·  1-0
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May-22-06  rochade18: <notsodeepthought> <Tarikov> like you, I "only" saw 23.Rh7 and I think it's obvious that black can resign soon.
May-22-06
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  dakgootje: <ganstaman> good point...lets blame it on the time when i posted my previous comment that i'd missed it ;-)

<If it was a Saturday puzzle I'd first go for Rf1 and give up five minutes later :-) > If it was a saturday one, i would have seen the move, wondered for around 10 minutes why it wont work and then just decide to play a random other move as saturdays cant be that easy =)

May-22-06  Castle In The Sky: Black made two bad mistakes, trading off his black bishop and opening the h-file. This is a beautifully coordinated kingside attack.
May-22-06  gerpm: Looked at Rh7+ first but then saw that f6 was the answer. Enjoyed the puzzle.
May-22-06  panthercat: <ataturk> I think 22. Nxd5 is a bit slower than 22. f6+, as 22. ...Rh8 slows down the win a little.
May-22-06
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  ganstaman: <dakgootje: <ganstaman> good point...lets blame it on the time when i posted my previous comment that i'd missed it ;-)>

Well, whether we forgive you or not then depends on what time zone you're in. Lucky for you, cg.com doesn't seem to store info on location or time posted, so we'll just have to believe whatever you tell us... :)

May-22-06
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  YouRang: Got it, but I also considered 22. Nxd5 as being a winning line.
May-22-06
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  kevin86: A nice,simple,typical Monday puz. White forces black to occupy his king's escape square.Retreating does no help. 22...Kg8 23 Qh6 and mates at h8 or g7.With the text it's 22 ...Kg8 23 Qh7#.
May-22-06
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  dakgootje: <ganstaman> well as several of the people here know, and the others can read it in my profile, im dutch, so GMT + 1...

It was still somewhere in the morning when i posted my first comment of the day (forgot the exact time ;-)

May-22-06  FICSwoodpusher: Anyone who thought they could win the black queen, didn't see the knight on c6 which protects it!
May-22-06  Zplane: <ganstaman> The black queen is won because it is on F6 after taking the pawn. The rook goes to H7 forcing the king to give up defense of the queen.
May-22-06  guidomiguel: Whats with all the talk about the queen when there is mate, i dont quite understand all the other <winning lines> talk. Mate in 3 or 4, thats all.
May-22-06  Paintbucket: That was simple.
May-22-06  FICSwoodpusher: <Zplane> true. I didn't even notice that , although for a good reason as the move that was played 23. Qh6+ was much better.

May-22-06  deepsix: All you guys do is brag on how quickly you solved the problem. Boring!!
May-22-06  Whitehat1963: I got it, but it took me maybe 20 or 30 seconds, unlike most Mondays. Still, I must admit that somehow I didn't look at anything but f6.
May-22-06  deepsix: Need I say more?
May-22-06
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  ganstaman: <Zplane: <ganstaman> The black queen is won because it is on F6 after taking the pawn. The rook goes to H7 forcing the king to give up defense of the queen.> Is there a post of mine that I forgot I made, or did you just mis-address this?
May-22-06
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  YouRang: <guidomiguel: Whats with all the talk about the queen when there is mate, i dont quite understand all the other <winning lines> talk. Mate in 3 or 4, thats all.> I mentioned that I thought 22. Nxd5 is winning, although admittedly not as fast as 22. f6+

Still, 22. Nxd5 closes off the f6 square, so that the threat of 23. Qh6+ is just as deadly.

If 22...Qxd5, then 23. f6+ Kg8 24. Qh6+ and no stopping the mate.

If 22...Rh8, then 23. f6+ Kg8 24. Rxh8+ Kxh8 25. Qh6+, and again, there's no stopping mate at g7.

Black can try desperate measures such as 22...Qxe3+, but after 23. Nxe3, white's mate threats are still there and now Black is without a queen.

May-22-06  MiCrooks: This may have been discussed before, but after Nd5 f6 seems to delay the denuement of the King for some time to come, as the King can now run to f7 and e8. He is still dead lost, and I am sure you can come up with a crush, but nothing as clean as the mates that come from the line he played. Qxf6 gives up mate faster than he needs to. Instead he can play the King back to g8, and after Qh6 sac the queen with Qh5. Still after Rxh5, gxh5 Bh7+ Kh8 Bg6+ Hg8 Qh7++ is still mate.
May-22-06
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  YouRang: <MiCrooks: This may have been discussed before, but after Nd5 f6 seems to delay the denuement of the King for some time to come, as the King can now run to f7 and e8. >

I don't think so. After 22. Nxd5 f6, white should play 23. Qxg6#

May-22-06  ChessVip: found in two secs!
May-22-06  wzeller: If, after 22. f6+ black moves 22. ... kg8 there is the beautiful 23. rh8+! kxh8 24. qh6+ qg8 25. qg7++
May-27-06  patzer2: The decoy 22. f6+! cuts off Black's escape square in facilitating a quick mate.
Jul-26-08  ravel5184: <wzeller> If 22 .. Kg8 23. Qh6 mates in two.
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