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| Sep-02-04 | | Pantagruel: <cu8sfan: Ferbie is still visiting this site but hasn't kibitzed in a long time.> I think F.B. has been detained recently. |
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| Sep-02-04 | | RonB52734: <loudubb> The black king must now run to the h-file (...Kf6 simply allows Qf5#). And it looks like there's no way to keep white from getting his f1 Rook to h3 for mate. Some complications: black's e7 Bishop can interpose but won't be protected. Black can bring the f8 Rook to g8 to chase away the Q, but then the Q simply moves to the h5 and lets the white Rook have the g-file. Again in this line the king's attempt to run to f6 allows Qf5# |
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| Sep-02-04 | | drcdwil: <greystar69> I assume you meant f6 instead of f3 to provide escape for the black king. But, I think White can still bring the Rook to f3 and over to g3 and plan Bxf6 for discovered mate. Terrible consequences await any Black Rook or Queen involvement. |
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| Sep-02-04 | | AdrianP: <iron maiden> It was me - this one's gone straight into the collection |
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| Sep-02-04 | | DexterGordon: <greystar69>, if 17...f6, how about 18. g6 to threaten 19. xf6#? Then if 18... f7 to stop the mate, 19.h6+  h8 20.xf7 looks pretty strong. |
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Sep-02-04
 | | patzer2: If 17...f6, then White wins with 18. Rf3! Bd6 (18...Rfd8 19. Rh3 Bf8 20. Qh7+ Kf7 21. Bxf8+ Kxf8 22. Qxc7 Rd7 23. Qxc5+  ) 19. Bh6! Rf7 (19...Qf7 20. Qg4+ Kh8 21. Rh3 ) 20. Rg3+ Rg7 21. Rxg7+ Qxg7 22. Bxg7 Kxg7 for a decisive material advantage. |
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| Sep-02-04 | | Dres1: Hey chessgames, when im looking at games from an opening, and they are listed in blue... once ive seen the game, it turns to an almost identical blue.. is there a way to change that so that viewed games change to red or some other distinguishable color so i can see which games i have seen? do you know what i mean? |
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| Sep-02-04 | | Tiamat: If anyone does know who had the double-bishop sacrafices, I'd like to know because I often come into a similar position and would like to see how they're played out, how they're countered or won. -Tiamat |
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| Sep-02-04 | | RonB52734: Game Collection: Double Bishop Sacrifices (dedicated to Anatoly K by User Profile: AdrianP |
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Sep-02-04
 | | kevin86: So this is (old style)BxP+ KxB N-N5+ wins,horray!! week. This looks like a Monday problem,giving the advance notice of the theme. At least we are calmer here than shown in another disclipine: Tuesday:Indians 22 Yankees 0 at Yankee Stadium--PANIC! PANIC! PANIC! Wed. Yankees 5 Indians 3-Ho Hum,everything's back to normal. |
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Sep-02-04
| | patzer2: If 15. Bxg7?, then Black takes advantage of the wrong move order to gain an advantage after 15.. Bxg7? Kxg7 16. Qg4+ Kh8 17. Bxh7 f5! [not 17...Kxh7?? 18. Rf3 Qd8 19. Rh3+ Bh4 20. Rxh4+ Qxh4 21. Qxh4+ ] 18. Qh5 Bf6! 19. Bxf5+ Kg8 20. Qg4+ Bg7 21. Bxe6+ Nxe6 22. Qxe6+ Qf7 23. Qg4 Rae8 24. Rae1 Bc8 25. Qe2 Bf5 26. Nf3 Qc7  . |
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| Sep-02-04 | | Stonewaller2: Stonewaller2: After 18. ... h6 19. f3 I was thinking 19. ... d8 at least stopped the mate, but then 20. h3+ h4 21.  f3 and Black's future is, well, black. |
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| Sep-02-04 | | Stonewaller2: Black is also uncomfortable after 13. ... xd7 14. dxc5 xc5 15. xf6 gxf6 16. h5. Clever, how Filatov clears the center for his s. |
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| Sep-02-04 | | Knight13: Nice game. Bxh7 week. Love that. |
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| Sep-02-04 | | EXIDE: I do not see the winning moves for White if Black declines the second bishop sacrifice. i.e. 17 .. pf6,18 Qh8+,Kf7 19.Bxf8,Rxf8 and white has a rook and two pawns for two bishops. |
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Sep-02-04
 | | tpstar: <EXIDE> If 17 ... f6 instead, DexterGordon suggested 18. Qg6 while patzer2 liked 18. Rf3 - check out their analyses. |
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| Sep-02-04 | | drcdwil: <EXIDE> See several posts above. There is no need to give the Qh8 check after 17...f6. The king will just run. There is still time to bring the rook to f3 and look for rook g3 or h3 combinations. |
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| Sep-02-04 | | drcdwil: <DexterGordon> I think your Qg6 if second bishop is declined is better. |
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| Sep-02-04 | | EXIDE: <tpstar> and <drcdwil> thanks for pointing out the correct response. |
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Sep-02-04
| | patzer2: For the finish of the game, I like 18...Kh6 19. Rf3! Qd8 20. Rh3+ Bh4 21. Rxh4+ (<Stonewaller2>'s 21. Nf3! also wins nicely) 21...Qxh4 22. Qxh4+ Kg7 23. Qg5+ Kh7 (23...Kh8 24. Rf1! forces mate) 24. Qe7 (24. f5! also wins quickly) 24...Rac8 25. b4 Na4 (25...Rfe8 26. Qxf7+ Kh8 27. bxc5 ; 25...Rce8 26. Qxc5 ) 26. Qxb7 . White has a decisive material advantage |
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Sep-02-04
| | patzer2: If Black declines the second Bishop offer with 17...f5, then White wins via 18. g6! f7 [18...Rac8 19. Bf6#; 18...Rfc8 19. Bh6+ Kh8 20. Qg7#; 18...Bc1 19. Bf6+ Qg7 20. Qxg7#; 18...Rf6 19. Bxf6+ Kf8 20. Bg7+ Kg8 21. Bh6+ Kh8 22. Qg7#] 19. e5+ f8 20. h6+ e8 21. xc7 with decisive material advantage. |
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Sep-02-04
| | patzer2: After 17...f6 to decline the second Bishop offer, Dexter Gordon's recommended 18. Qg6! (18. Rf3! also wins as posted earlier) wins easily after 18...Rf7 19. Bh6+! Kh8 20. Qxf7 Bd6 21. Qxf6+ Kh7 22. Qh4! e5 23. fxe5 Bxe5 24. Rf5 (threatening 25. Bf4+) 24...Kg8 25. Qg4+ Kh8 26. Bf4 Bxf4 27. Rh5+ Qh7 28. Rxh7+ Kxh7 29. Qxf4 . White's advantage is overwhelming. |
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| Jan-01-11 | | Zorts: Should black have taken the knight (not with his king's knight) but with Queen on 13...Qxd7? |
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Jan-02-11
 | | Sastre: 13...Qxd7 loses a pawn to 14.dxc5. Black shouldn't recapture with 14...Bxc5 because of <15.Bxf6 gxf6 16.Qg4+ Kh8 17.Qh4 Bxe3+ 18.Kh1 f5 19.Qf6+ Kg8 20.Rf3 >. |
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| Jul-02-12 | | e4 resigns: Sacrifice patterns:
Bishops on a1-g7 b1-h7
Queen can go to h5 in one move,
Rook lift.
Also, black pawn on e6 and white pawn on f4 gives white a mate if king goes to f6.
So the forcing of king to h file.
This occurs when the center diagonals are not occupied by pawns.
Cool. |
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