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|Jul-09-06|| ||Ulhumbrus: White gains a Queen and a miserable position in return for two minor pieces. A miserable position reduces the value ( ie ability to attack or to defend) of White's men most considerably.|
|Nov-27-06|| ||orio24: Unbelievable that this game is not better known.|
|May-29-07|| ||Ulhumbrus: <orio24: Unbelievable that this game is not better known.> Actually this is a very famous game, and has appeared in a number of books. Perhaps the books published nowadays do not mention it.|
|Jul-20-07|| ||kfkcapa2001: <Iron maiden: How long was the match between la Bourdannais and MacDonnell?> They played over 80 games in total. Counting this game depends on how the matches were divided; The Oxford Companion to Chess lists it as the 50th match game, but other sources list it differently.|
|Jul-20-07|| ||kfkcapa2001: An amazing Q-sac for only two minor pieces and position. GM Fine in The World's Great Chess Games says it's the FIRST great immortal game of chess. That's not a stretch when we recall that Anderssen's Immortal Game came over twenty years later. Also, the modern gem R Toran Albero vs Tal, 1961 seems almost straightforward compared with Black's play here. |
However, as <clocked points out to ughaibu: After 12.Qb3 black is the one who must find a way out of the immediate dangers.> Bourdannais perhaps missed his chance. Yet, several annotators let pass 9.Kf1 as if it's forced.
|Jul-21-07|| ||elLocoEvans: OMG, and I thought Labourdonnais was the genius!
Bow to MacDonnell's grave.
|Sep-28-07|| ||nimh: Rybka 2.4 mp, AMD X2 2.01GHz, 10 min per move, threshold 0.25.|
De La Bourdonnais 9 mistakes:
9.Kf1 -0.47 (9.Kxf2 0.72)
12.d6 -0.82 (12.h3 -0.27)
17.Rd2 -1.15 (17.h3 -0.77)
19.a3 -2.11 (19.Kf2 -1.42)
20.Rg1 -3.11 (20.Kf2 -2.11)
22.gxf3 -4.92 (22.b4 -2.50)
23.Bc4 -8.24 (23.b4 -2.45)
27.Rb7 -10.32 (27.Rxa7 -5.49)
31.Qa2 #15 (31.Ke2 -10.98)
McDonnell 4 mistakes:
13...Nxd5 -0.60 (13...Qf8 -0.96)
20...b5 -2.20 (20...Kf6 -3.11)
22...Nd4 -2.45 (22...Bxd2+ -4.92)
23...Nxf3+ -5.44 (23...Bxd2+ -8.24)
|Dec-09-07|| ||myrdinn: I'm not sure La Bourdonnais did a mistake
with 9.Kf1. It was dangerous for him to play 9.Kxf2 after McDonnel Qc5+ La Bourdonnais need to move his king and McDonnel can put his Queen inside the defence by Qc4 ... proof of that the withe move his queen for protection in 10
(Sorry for my english)
|Dec-09-07|| ||HOTDOG: commentary by www.corsicoscacchi.com(based on analysys by GM Keene)|
a novelty.in previous games LaBourdonnais played 3.e3
not a strong move according to today standards
the most aggressive continuation
White had to castle,so 8.0-0 was better
capturing the bishop was better:9.Kxf2 Qc5+ 10.Ke1 Qxc4 11.Nxa5 Qa6 and Black has the advantage,but White can still fight,for example with 12.Rf1
LaBourdonnais sacrifices a pawn to install a Knight on d5,a typical move of his style
Black can choose a defensive strategy,trying to mantain his two extra pawns,with 13...Qd8 14.Nxf4 exf4 15.e5 and White's attack seems dangerous,or begin a counter-attack sacrificing the Queen,and McDonnel chose this way to proceed
perhaps a modern player should have player 15.Qxe3 and 16.Bxd6 with good drawing chances although Black has en extra pawn
the decisive mistake.White had to sacrifice the rook for the powerful Ne3.so 18.Rf1 Ba5 19.Rf2,or 18.Rf1 Rac8 19.Bb3 defending the 2nd rank.
perhaps LaBourdonnais hoped in 19...Bxd2,but McDonnell continues in his attack bringing in play his only inactive piece,and now threatens an attack on the c-file weakened by White's 18th move
White tries a counter-attack on a seven rank,after the opening of the g-file,but it's not enough to save the game.but other moves weren't better,for example 20.b4 Nxb4! 21.axb4 Bxb4 23.Ba2 Bxf3 23.gxf3 Rc2 and White's position collapses
a strong move
the game is finished.Black has gained material and has still a powerful attack
Black threatened 33...h5+ and 34...Bd8 mate,but however White is hopeless
|Dec-09-07|| ||sneaky pete: Frederick William Cronhelm: The Battle of the Knights|
Of checkered wars I sing, nor wars alone,
Buf self-devotion on the Queenly throne,
What time the Oracles stern reply
Pronounced - "The Host prevails whose Queen shall die."
Ye minstrels, list - nor thou this song disdain,
Whose harp erewhile pealed forth the lofty strain
Of "Waterloo Regained," - for in the fray,
No chief more nobly than La Bourdonnais
A rival's prowess owned - 'twas his delight
To meet an equal champion in the fight;
And ever that fair field he prized the most,
Won from him by M'Donnell's Queenless host.
The fight grows sterner - and the Kingly Powers
Disdain retreat behind the sheltering Towers:
In radiant panoply sublime they stand,
And from their central heights their troops command.
Two noble chieftains from the ranks of France
Boldly within the British lines advance:
First comes the warlike Bishop of Toulouse -
Down the slant files the adverse Queen he views,
Defended well on that side of the field
By the King's Knight, with interposing shield.
But, on the left, more imminent assault
The Knight of Rheims has made with daring vault.
From that commanding post, no human might
Can drive the invader but the regal Knight,
And him the Bishop pins. By all is seen,
The deadly peril of the undaunted Queen,
Who stands unmoved: her faithful guards implore
She would retire, till the fierce brunt were o'er:
Her own good Bishop, kneeling at her feet,
Urges her royal safety in retreat; -
Vain are their prayers and tears - "Hear me," she cries,
"My faithful Vassals, and my brave Allies -
Your Queen must perish, as the fates decree,
But in my death they give you victory!
Sir Reginald, I charge thee by thy troth,
Thy stainless honour, thine unbroken oath,
Leave me with this proud mitred Chief to deal,
And give yon Knightgood measure of thy steel!"
"Alas! my Queen!" was all that he might say,
For, thus abjured, he durst not disobey:
Spurring his gallant steed, with lance at rest,
Fiercely he drove it through the French Knight's breast -
Then on the unguarded Queen the Bishop rushes -
She falls, and o'er the dust her life-bloood gushes.
Dire consternation for a moment falls
On all the host of Albion; and the Gauls
Of easy victory dream - but direr rose,
The cry for vengeance from their Queenless foes.
O'er the doomed Bishop, see the Monarch stand,
Granting brief respite as he gives command:
"On to my sixth, Sir Knight, and from that bound
Charge Bishop, King, and Castle, all around!
Let the Queen's Own to his assistance speed -
Sword in each hand, and spur in every steed!
Show the slow infantry your lightning play -
By cavalry the field is won to-day!"
Then, while the Bishop sighs, "Alas! Alas!"
The royal faulchion gives the coup de grace -
Well are his words obeyed. The Knights and steeds
Tread down the Gallic ranks like autumn reeds -
La Bourdonnais in vain contends with Fate,
And yields to the irremediable Checkmate!
|Dec-05-08|| ||mjmorri: One of the early masterpieces.
McDonnell is often dismissed as a light weight, but in this game, his positional sacrifice of the Queen for two minor pieces is one for the ages.
He shows great restraint in not giving up his beautiful e3 Knight for the Rook on d1, the mark of a true master.
|Feb-13-09|| ||Chachaman: If you think about it, White got two minor pieces, two pawns, and great positional plusses for the queen. After 15...Kxe7, black has two minor pieces and two pawns. Plus, he has the bishop-pair, a great outpost for his knight, and superior development. Later on, he gets another outpost, and more plusses. White's extra queen had no bearing on the situation; it just sat there. The queen rook sat undeveloped. Eventually, white had to give back material to stay even, and then black won. Great game by McDonnell, making a deep positional sacrifice. But if you think about it, the plus in positional factors made it not a sacrifice, but a trade in his favor!|
|Feb-23-09|| ||theagenbiteofinwit: Kf1 just pains me. That bishop goes on to cost white a rook!|
|Aug-09-09|| ||birthtimes: Lasker comments on White's 18th move: "But here White errs. To develop his force he should offer a sacrifice by 18. Rf1, so as to rid himself of the oppressive Knight on e3. |
If then 18...Rac8 19. Bb3 or 18...Ba5 19. Rf2. The [b3] pawn move only weakens his position [by giving Black mastery of the c-file, especially c2]. La Bourdonnais had not recognized this clearly. The theory of Steinitz, explaining these points, was not evolved until fifty years later."
Lasker's Manual of Chess, 1960, p. 246
|Mar-15-10|| ||patzer2: Black's 13...Nxd5!! offers up the Queen as a sacrifice for positional advantage. Following the expected 14. Bxe7, the key in-between move 14...Ne3+! and the followup 15. Kxe7 give Black two minor pieces and two extra pawn for the Queen. |
Under many circumstances, that might be considered an even trade based on the point values of the pieces. However, in this case, Black has much better pawn structure, control of space and better coordinated pieces to justify his investment.
Initially, Fritz 10 shows the position as near equal or only slightly favoring Black after 13...Nxd5! However, as the position plays out it's extremely difficult to find a saving resource for White and the evaluations begin to slowly increase in Black's favor.
Don't know if it's a forced win, but Black has the initiative and the attack with little danger of losing. Also it's a lot more fun and forcing than something like 13...Qf8 .
|Mar-15-10|| ||thegoodanarchist: I think I'll get a value meal combo for lunch...|
|Mar-15-10|| ||kevin86: A great pun on a great matchup.This was the Ali-Frazier of the 19thC chess world.|
|Mar-15-10|| ||patzer2: Black's 22...Nd4! offers up an unusual discovered attack. Except instead of discovering an attack on a piece, this move discovers the threat on a critical square (i.e. d1) after 23. b4? Rd1+ while simultaneously threatening 23. Bc4 Nxf3+! as in the game continuation.|
Technically, I suppose 22...Nd4! could be classified as a simple double attack. However, since the most effective discovered attacks are quite often double attacks and the move 22...Nd4! definitely discovers the threat 23. b4 Rd1+ or 23. Rxg7+ Kf6 24. Rg1 Rd1+ on the critical d1 square, I think I'll keep it in my discovered attack collection.
Also, my double attack collection is getting quite large and I think this classification will help me to remember this tactic (discovered attack on a critical square) a bit easier in the future.
|Mar-15-10|| ||Quad Fifties: when I see the dates of these old contests it makes the game itself all that more fascinating to me. pure chess. ahhh,the old days|
|Mar-15-10|| ||patzer2: For my tactical game collections, the Queen sham positional sacrifice 13...Nxd5!! is in my "positional sacrifices" collection, 14...Ne3+! is in my "in-between move" collection and 22...Nd5! is in my "discovered attack" collection.|
|Mar-15-10|| ||Edeltalent: <In one of his epigrams, Adolf Anderssen said: "Once get a Knight firmly posted at King 6 and you may go to sleep. Your game will then play itself". I presume that Anderssen was thinking on this game when he made that statement.>|
Anderssen vs Staunton, 1851 comes to mind as well - although that one probably played itself even before the knight on e6 :-)
|Apr-06-11|| ||dumbgai: 15. Qxe3 fxe3 (or Bxe3) 16. Bxd6 gives White a better chance to hang on, I think.|
|Jun-25-11|| ||Llawdogg: Wow! McDonnell's Immortal! 13 ... Nxd5!! Great move.
Amazing queen sacrifice. All kinds of tactics. Great game.|
|Feb-01-12|| ||Knight13: I do not understand 20... b5 at all. Otherwise, an outstanding game by Black!|
|Jun-15-12|| ||ForeverYoung: 20 ... b5 was played to open the path for the rook on c8. I took a look at this game today on my board and pieces and was thoroughly impressed! I recall giving back some loot to break Black's initiative was discussed in Larry Evans' column in Chess Life & Review in the early '70s.|
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