|Dec-17-08|| ||YoungEd: I like Steinitz's notes. I also like how the queen cleans up all those pawns after the rook sac!|
|Feb-25-11|| ||Phony Benoni: Sort of odd to call this a Stonewall, without White getting f2-f4 in.|
Delmar was one of New York's top players for a couple of decades, but obviously not in Chigorin's class. Ideas that worked in the local clubs weren't going to fly here.
I like how the queen got trapped on h6 partially because of the move 6.h3, though of course that didn't cause the trap. I also like how Chigorin goes right for the throat afterward.
On the 1-4 Pun Voting scale, I'd say 2 for the pun, and that's being generous. A strong 3 for the game, due to Chigorin's excellent play.
|Feb-25-11|| ||newzild: I like Steinitz' notes too. I don't like how he says "we" all the time, though.|
|Feb-25-11|| ||Kazzak: @newzild
Customary to use "we" in this kind of editorial address - newspaper speak of the time.
|Feb-25-11|| ||Eric Schiller: This is not a stonewall it is a failed Rubinstein Attack since Black got in an early e5.|
|Feb-25-11|| ||selfmate: Games from about 1870-1930 are my favorites. It must have been something to be a top player and just be able to sit down at the board and play without it necessarily involving trying to remember reams of computer assisted analysis fed to you by your second.|
|Feb-25-11|| ||Draughtexcluder: Do you think the players ratings were homologous to the period in which they played? They're obviously not now as the year isn't 2700.|
|Feb-25-11|| ||Llawdogg: Very nice. I must admit a great affection for the period from the 1850s through the 1920s. |
Trapping the queen, sacrificing a rook, and then winning the game so quickly: this was a great game from Chigorin.
|Feb-25-11|| ||KingV93: I do enjoy the frank commentary on move 19.|
|Feb-25-11|| ||shishio71: Thanks for the clarification, Dr. S. I was wondering why this game was classified as a stonewall...|
|Feb-25-11|| ||newzild: <Kazzak> Yes, but I still don't like it.|
|Feb-25-11|| ||newshutz: Couldn't the note to move 19 apply at move 14? Isn't advancing the b-pawn necessary, since white no longer has a light square bishop to pressure a6?|
|Feb-25-11|| ||rapidcitychess: We prefer not to refer to ourselves as multiple persons all the time.|
|Feb-25-11|| ||Chessmensch: How times have changed. Steinitz describes 27...Rxe3 as "A
master coup of the highest order of ingenuity." Now, Deep Fritz 12 finds that as the preferred move in a fraction of a second--faster than I could move my eye to see what Fritz did.|
|Feb-25-11|| ||chrisowen: you wonder grounds gruff Lasker might interject it a those certain principle opening dont flout apply. The whole point in Colle finish off door e5 mobile lot of black held under guard. On tether soppi h3 fans flame snip b3 jamin e5 king grimmace is rail present day tamagotchi ED egg e5 pawn scar piece time white. Allowing e5 zz equivalent to nippon so you clash. Free cattle MC g6 rover e4 street until f5 business at hand jangle g7 h7 h4 knight swings over g5. Rxe3 Rossini lifting gloom whites civil lane left hangin.|
|Feb-25-11|| ||Once: I guess that chessgames.com labelled this as a "queen pawn game; stonewall attack" because white played a queen pawn game (d4 without c4) and black responded with pawns on d5 and (eventually) f5, as in a stonewall dutch.|
Most folks would probably call white's opening a kind of Colle-Zukertort with the unfortunate addition of h3.
The term "rubinstein attack" is an interesting one. Wikipedia and others use this term for a variation of the Queens Gambit declined after the moves: 1 d4 d5 2 c4 e6 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 Bg5 Be7 5 e3 O-O 6 Nf3 Nbd7 7 Rc1 c6 8 Qc2
But Eric Schiller uses "Rubinstein Attack" for what I would recognise as a colle-zukertort in a book he wrote in 2005. In other words, a system with d4, e3, Nf3, Bd3, b3 and Bb2.
A quick google for the term suggests that opinion is divided on this one, but the majority view seems with the wikipedia version and not with Eric's, I'm afraid.
Another instance of chess terminology being vague perhaps?
|Feb-25-11|| ||Oceanlake: Since Chigorin was often fond of knights rather than bishops, his 9. Nxd3 hints that he "saw" the win at that time.|
|Feb-25-11|| ||WhiteRook48: 20 Qxh5 was just greedy|
|Feb-26-11|| ||kevin86: The queen was (rightly) trapped for her greed.|
|Dec-07-12|| ||vinidivici: 27...Rxe3 isnt so fenomenal. a rook traded with 4 pawns and with overwhelming attack...nowadays masters or even sub-masters can do it rightly.|