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|Jan-19-10|| ||AnalyzeThis: The game got tactical, and Nimzo lost. Not a surprise.|
|Jan-19-10|| ||chancho: All players lose tactically at some point <AT>.
Even Capablanca got hammered via tactics:
Lilienthal vs Capablanca, 1935
|Jan-19-10|| ||AnalyzeThis: Sure, there's an exception to every rule. Take all of Capa's tactical losses, everyone you can find, and I'll have no problem showing you 2 or 3 times as many Nimzo losses that were worse.|
|Jan-19-10|| ||Red October: Nimzo lost and <AT> slams him... no surprise...|
|Jan-19-10|| ||arnaud1959: Is this a theoretical line? I don't see any real compensation for the lost piece. The K-side pawns are too slow to be dangereous.|
|Jan-19-10|| ||AccDrag: So we are debating who was better, Capa or Nimzo? That seems silly. In fact, as Nimzo himself says, in his younger days, he was an attack minded player. As he matured, he began to appreciate the finer points of position play. |
Nimzo left a much greater chess legacy than Capa.
|Jan-19-10|| ||FHBradley: No, they are not arguing anything. At least <AnalyzeThis> is not. What he is saying is that 'Nimzo' sucks, full stop, the reason for that probably being that he, (<AnalyzeThis>, that is) has spent a greater part of his chess-life trying to understand 'My System', which has only made him an expert in chess, rather than a master, and that is reason enough to turn a sour face at 'Nimzo'.|
|Jan-19-10|| ||RandomVisitor: After 14...Na2+! 15.Kc2 (15.Kb1? Nc3+ )
click for larger view
<[-4.32] d=21 15...Qa4+> 16.Kd2 Qb3 17.Rb1 Nc3 18.Bd3 Nxb1+ 19.Rxb1 Ba6 20.Qg4 0-0-0 21.Qd4 Qb8 22.Qc5 Qb6 23.Qxb6 axb6 24.Re1 d5 25.exd6 Rxd6 26.Kc3 Rfd8 27.Re3 h6 28.Rf3 R8d7
[-3.87] d=20 15...Rb8 16.Rb1 Nc3 17.Bd3 Nxb1 18.Rxb1 Ba6 19.Qg3 Qa4+ 20.b3 Qxa3 21.Bxh7 c5 22.Kd2 Qa5+ 23.Kd1 Qa2
21 3:08:18 955.828.361 86.624 29.Bc2 Rd4 30.b3 c5
|Jan-19-10|| ||YetAnotherAmateur: And this is why as a general rule you shouldn't take the poisoned pawn.*|
* except those strange cases when you should.
|Jan-19-10|| ||lzromeu: <AccDrag: So we are debating who was better, Capa or Nimzo? >|
I heard that Capa was clearly better in "Barmen Masters" contests like this
|Jan-19-10|| ||fm avari viraf: Perlis's witchcraft puts Nimzowitsch in perils!|
|Jan-19-10|| ||Starf1re: 9)Qg4 ??? (bd2 is better)
10)d2 ?? (a3 is better)
|Jan-19-10|| ||black.pr0jekt: 1. d4 e6
2. e4 c5
transposing into siclian kan, polugaevsky variation offers more chances than kings indian
|Jan-19-10|| ||Skakalec: Why is it called Kramnik variation?|
|Jan-19-10|| ||Domdaniel: 1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5 is the Barcza-Larsen Defence, also reached after 1.d4 c5 2.e4 e6. It's been called the Franco-Indian and the Franco-Benoni as well, because you reach a Benoni-type structure if white plays d5. It only transposes to a Sicilian Kan if white plays 3...Nf3, and even then black has moves such as ...a6 and ...Qc7 (avoiding ...cxd4) to keep out of the mainline.|
|Jan-19-10|| ||Domdaniel: On move 27 did Nimzo say "Perlis b4 Schwein!" ... ?|
|Jan-19-10|| ||SpoiltVictorianChild: System Failure?|
|Jan-19-10|| ||WhiteRook48: ooh Nimzowitsch got murdered!|
|Jan-19-10|| ||whiteshark: <Domdaniel: <Perlis b4...>> Referring to Mat 7,6 and Pynchon simultaneously? Somehow an interesting minimalism.|
|Jan-19-10|| ||zb2cr: White resigns because of the threat of 37. ... Rb2+; 38. Ka4, Rc6 with mate to follow by ... Ra6#. |
37. Rc3 fails vs. 37. ... Rb2+; 38. Ka5, Rc5+; 39. Ka4, Bb5+ winning the White Rook on c3.
37. Kc3, Bd5+ presents White with several unpleasant choices.
A. 38. Kb4, Rb2+; 39. Ka5, Rb6! with the threat of ... Rc5+ and ... Bc6#.
B. 38. Kd3, Ra2; 39. Rh4 (the only place the Rook is safe from a skewer check), Rxa3+; 40. Kd2, Rac3 and Black's now up by a full piece.
|Jan-19-10|| ||black.pr0jekt: cxd4 is better
@domndaniel, u know ur talking to the best player in the world.
|Jan-19-10|| ||black.pr0jekt: no... barza larsen starts with e4|
|Jan-19-10|| ||black.pr0jekt: if e4 is played no point in playing e6, the purpose of d4 e6 is to achieve a sicilian, instead of goin into the indian defenses|
|Jan-19-10|| ||redmaninaustin: While Capa was capable of superior spacial visualization, Nimzowitsch was more of a philosopher. Capa played blindfold simultaneous games in a capacity far beyond Nimzowitch, but he also was less able to convey his genius than the "My System" author. We can respect them both in their respective strengths, but ultimately Capa was the better player.|
|Jan-20-10|| ||kevin86: Nimzo is beaten to a pulp in this one-not a pretty picture (in both senses)|
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