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|Jan-02-07|| ||Tacticstudent: Weel, excellent game and puzzle. I just think that 11- Rf1? might be an blunder. Much better was 11- Ne2!. See the main variant:
11- Ne2! Be6
12- Bxe6 fxe6
13- Rf1 and the game is balanced.
|Jan-02-07|| ||zb2cr: Saw the theme right away, took a while to figure out the proper sequence--I thought that the second Black Rook should also be sacrificed.|
|Jan-02-07|| ||Fisheremon: <Tacticstudent: Weel, excellent game and puzzle. I just think that 11- Rf1? might be an blunder. Much better was 11- Ne2!. See the main variant: 11- Ne2! Be6
12- Bxe6 fxe6
13- Rf1 and the game is balanced.> Certainly 21. Rc1 admitting a mate finish was a blunder, still the position was lost for White. A bit ealier 17. Ne2 was a positional mistake, instead 17. Na4 could be fine for equalizing.
|Jan-02-07|| ||YouRang: I've seen similar puzzles before, but it's still nice. We sac a rook to gain a key tempo, allowing our queen to get to a5 *with check*. This gives White no time to play Nxd4, in order to guard against ...Bxb3 and ...Qa2#.|
|Jan-02-07|| ||kevin86: I answered this one by trial and error: No queen sac worked,so I tried Ra1+ followed by Ra8+,no dice. Then I realized that the bishop could capture at b3 and mate with the queen at a2.So a tempo ws gained by Qa4+ followed by Bb3-there is no escape except to move the rook-which allows mate a move later at a1.|
24 (c)moves a2+ 25 c1 a1#
|Jan-02-07|| ||mikrobi: for Fisheremon :
11 Ne2 ?!, Nf3 ! i think.
|Jan-02-07|| ||Themofro: Nothing to it. The doubled and weak pawns around the king, the open a-file they all scream for the rook sacrifice. A nice puzzle regardless and a good game by Maroczy.|
|Jan-02-07|| ||dzechiel: Saw this one instantly. Too easy for a Tuesday puzzle. Maybe too easy for a Monday puzzle. :)|
|Jan-02-07|| ||Operation Mindcrime: Woo hoo! Got this in a few seconds.
Sort of cheated, though, because this position was just crying for a sacrifice at a1 (it occurs more commonly at h1 or h8, when it's usually followed by a check on the h-file). The idea is to get the queen into the attack with tempo, after which xb3 literally drives in the last nail.
Great game by Maroczy, though I think his opponent was a bit obliging....
|Jan-02-07|| ||Bob726: Too easy, got it in less than a second|
|Jan-02-07|| ||ColoradoHamster: I thought this was good for a Tuesday. Rook sac to gain a tempo, Queen check, then bring the Bishop. Nice.|
<ax2kool: yay! i got this one....BTW has Kings Gambit worked for anyone except for Morphy?>
Judit Polgar used to play the King's Gambit, with some success.
|Jan-02-07|| ||gamer945094: <Chris1Clark>, what about 24.Qxb3 in your line?|
|Jan-02-07|| ||FLCLlove: <ax2kool: yay! i got this one....BTW has Kings Gambit worked for anyone except for Morphy?>|
Chigorin played well with King's Gambit and played it often. Steinitz was rather successful as well.
|Jan-02-07|| ||dassy: I cant see the win for Black if at 21. Qc1|
|Jan-02-07|| ||melv: Spasky also played the kings gambit.
|Jan-02-07|| ||FLCLlove: Though Spassky rarely lost with the King's Gambit, he drew almost as often as he won with it.|
What are you seeing to stop the mate with Qc1 that's any different.
|Jan-02-07|| ||Stellar King: got it!! the diamino's mate!!!!|
|Jan-02-07|| ||YouRang: <dassy: I cant see the win for Black if at 21. Qc1>|
True, but after playing around with that line for a while, it still looks bad for black:
<21...Qa7!> making threats along the a-file while still guarding against Nxd4
<22. Nd2> White's only way to guard against Bxb3 (23. Kc2? Bxb3! 24. Kxb3? Qa4#). However, at d2, the knight no longer guards e5, and it blocks its rook from guarding Pe3. This allows...
<22...Ne5> (threatening Pe3) <23. Kc2> (guard Pe3 with king) <23...Qc5+>
<24. Nc4> (blocking check)
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Black's pieces are terrible and he has isolated & doubled b-file pawns, while black's pieces have great mobility and good advanced pawns. Black will soon get the f-file rook in play with ...f5.
|Jan-02-07|| ||FLCLlove: I know I'm rusty so please tell me if I'm missing something.|
21...Ra1+ Following along the same lines as the original game.
22.Kxa1 This move is forced.
23.Kb1 Again, no way to block and nowhere to go; forced move.
Only way to survive following this is to sac the Queen at c2.
Better are 21.Qd1 or 21.Qc2.
|Jan-02-07|| ||YouRang: <FLCLlove> After 21. Qc1 Ra1+ 22. Kxa1 Qa5+ 23. Kb1 Bxb3, White has 23...Qxc6, and there's no mate because the king can escape to d2 (which was blocked by the queen in the 21. Rc1 line).|
|Jan-02-07|| ||FLCLlove: Okay thanks.|
|Jan-02-07|| ||Fisheremon: <mikrobi: for Fisheremon :
11 Ne2 ?!, Nf3 ! i think.> not Fisheremon, but Tacticstudent. I just proposed a save on 17th move for White.
|Jan-02-07|| ||EXIDE: I came up with 21 ..., Bxb3 as winning as white has no reply to black Queen moving to a5 and checking on a1 next move.|
|Jan-02-07|| ||malthrope: <EXIDE: I came up with 21 ..., Bxb3 as winning... [...]>|
One slight problem with 21... Bxb3 due to 22. Rxc5! ;-) - Mal
|Jan-03-07|| ||EXIDE: <malthrope> thanks! My error. Just for info. I recently became a premium memember and am enjoying the opening explorer. Improved my game. Not today I guess.|
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