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|Jun-12-15|| ||morfishine: Probably too famous of a game: <20.Nxe6> and Black is forced to recapture due to the mate threat 21.Nx7#|
20...fxe6 21.Rxe6+ Kf7 and the key move now <22.Qd3> leaving the Rook, Knight & Bishop hanging
<gofer> 23.Qg6+ is not mate due to 22...Kxe6 23.Qg6+ Nf6, but White has a Whale of an attack
|Jun-12-15|| ||Pedro Fernandez: I was unable to see 22.Qd3!!|
|Jun-12-15|| ||wooden nickel: <Pedro Fernandez: I was unable to see 22.Qd3!!>
I missed that too, but found the less stronger 21.Bf3
(if 21... RxQd2 then 22.Bh5#)
21... Rh7 22.Rxe6+ Kf7 23.Qd3
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and White should win!
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|Jun-12-15|| ||Penguincw: Hmm. I got the obvious 20.Nxe6 fxe6 21.Rxe6+, but then did not see 21...Kf7. I anticipated black blocking, and then white taking on e7, and then b7, and white would be up a piece or so (not to mention the mate threat on d7).|
|Jun-12-15|| ||kevin86: The champ sure knows how to attack!|
|Jun-12-15|| ||haydn20: <Pretzel Logic: < tpstar >
I've always liked her guitar playing, but she seems kind of unsexy.
If not for music, Bonnie would be ?
a. driving cross country semis
b. Waitress at IHOP
c. Honky tonk bar maid
D. New owner, Mustang Ranch>
Geez, PL, which of these is NOT sexy? Who needs another plastic hottie lookalike? When this one screams and bites you, it will be for real.
|Jun-12-15|| ||Mating Net: 22.Qd3! is truly an outstanding move. Kasparov leaves 3 pieces hanging, the Knight a4, Rook e6, & the Bishop g2, but he maintains the initiative and gets on with the attack. Tremendous combination by the Champ.|
|Jun-12-15|| ||haydn20: I found 20 Nxe6 fe 21. Rxe6 Kf7, and then spent a half-hour, saw 22. Qd3 and got totally lost.|
|Jun-12-15|| ||Jimfromprovidence: When I looked at the whole game I could not figure out 19 f4, so I tried the same combination beginning one move earlier: 19 Nxe6 fxe6 20 Rxe6+ Kf7 21 Qd3.|
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It does not work. 19 f4 was the key to the combo, freeing up the a8-h1 diagonal.
|Jun-12-15|| ||Jimfromprovidence: If 22...Kg8 instead of the text 22...Bg7, white wins with 23 Qg6+ Kh8 24 Ree1! (threatening 25 Rh1.)|
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|Jun-12-15|| ||patzer2: In trying to find an improvement for Black in this game, I took the advice from a poster 9 years ago:|
<Apr-02-06 alexandrovm: it's instructive to look for Kasparov's games against Najdorf, one of his favorite defenses as black.>
With that in mind I looked at how Kasparov handled this opening as Black, and in Anand vs Kasparov, 2002 I found Kasparov repeated Black's first 11 moves.
However, after 12. Na4 (diagram below),
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instead of <12...d5> Kasparov played 12...Qa5!
From here, Deep Fritz 14 analysis of best play follows the exact play in the Anand Kasparov game with 12... Qa5! 13. b3 Nc5 14. a3 Rc8 15. Qxb4 Qc7 16. Nxc5 dxc5 17. Qa4+ Nd7 18. Ne2 c4 19. Bf4 Qc6 20. Kb2 Qxa4 21. bxa4 Be7 = (+0.15 @ 25 depth).
That the Anand Kasparov game ended in a draw would seem to confirm the computer assessment that Kasparov had a fully level game in this opening line after 12...Qa5.
|Jun-12-15|| ||agb2002: The material is identical.
Black threatens 20... Qxa4 and 20... Nc3.
The first idea that comes to mind is 20.Nxe6, threatening 21.Nc(g)7#:
A) 20... fxe6 21.Bf3 (21.Rxe6+ Kf7 (21... Ne7 22.Qxd7+ wins; 21... Be7 22.Rxe7+ looks bad for Black) 22.Re2 Rxg2 23.Rxg2 Qxa4 probably loses too much material without enough compensation)
A.1) 21... Rxd2 22.Bh5#.
A.2) 21... Rh3 22.Bg4 threatening 23.Bxh3 and 23.Bxe6 seems to give enough compensation.
A.3) 21... N7f6 22.Qxh2
A.3.a) 22... Qxa4 23.Rxe6+ Kf7 24.Bxd5 Nxd5 (24... Bxd5 25.Rxf6+) 25.Qh3 and the threat 26.Qf5+ seems to win.
A.3.b) 22... Nxe4 23.Qh5+ Kd7 24.Qf7+ followed by 25.Qxe6+ and 26.Bxe4 looks very good for White.
B) 20... N7f6 21.Nc7+ Kd7 22.Nxd5 Nxe4 23.Ndb6+ wins.
C) 20... Be7 21.Ng7+ followed by 22.Bxe7+ seems to win.
That's all I can do today.
|Jun-12-15|| ||agb2002: I saw 21.Rxe6+ Kf7 22.Qd3 but for some reason I missed the crushing 23.Bxd5+ after 22... Kxe6.|
|Jun-12-15|| ||Moszkowski012273: NOT playing 13...g5 looks like a much better way to go about things. Giving up the knight on f6 for three pawns, greater piece activity, and king safety.|
|Jun-13-15|| ||mriddle: Certainly didn't get the puzzle, but after looking at the answer I put my effort into figuring out how white wins after 22 ...Kxe6. I came up with:
23. Bxd5+ Bxd5 24. Qg6+ Nf6 25. Qxf6+ Kd7 26. Rxd5+ Qxd5+ 27. Nb6+ winning the queen as the main line. Is that it?|
|Jun-13-15|| ||Moszkowski012273: <mriddle> --- Yep!|
|Jun-13-15|| ||patzer2: <Moszkowski012273: NOT playing 13...g5 looks like a much better way to go about things.> Well 13...g5 is by no means a bad move. However, after 13...g5 14. hxg5! (instead of 14. Bg2) 14...hxg5 15. Bxg5 White stands slightly better.|
Playing Kasparov's counter 12...Qa5!= gives Black full equality.
P.S.: In the game after 14. Bg2, Black could have improved with 14...Rg8! =.
|Jun-13-15|| ||patzer2: Of course with <NOT playing 13...g5> Black has to find a better alternative. |
Perhaps 13... Ne5! 14. g5 Nfd7 15. Qf2 h5 15. hxg5 exf3 16. gxf6 Nxf6 = is what you had in mind with < Giving up the knight on f6 for three pawns, greater piece activity, and king safety.>
|Jun-13-15|| ||patzer2: As <Jimfromprovidence> observes, <19 f4 was the key to the combo, freeing up the a8-h1 diagonal.>|
Kasparov's 19. f4! (+3.00 @ 21 depth, Deep Fritz 14x64) is indeed the initial move in a winning combination, setting up the recent Friday puzzle solution 19...Rh2 20. Nxe6!!
Black's last chance to maximize resistance was with 18...N7f6 19. Nxe6! (+1.09 @ 23 depth, Deep Fritz 14) or 18...Qxg5 19. Qxg5 Bh6 19. Nxe6! (+1.16 @ 23 depth).
|Jun-14-15|| ||Moszkowski012273: <patzer2> - 13...g5 DOES happen to be a bad move. YES 13...Qa5 is much better. But the line I "had in mind" (and like better) happens to be 13...dxe4 14.g5,hxg5 15.hxg5,exf3 16.gxf6,Nxf6 with the resulting position being muuuuuch better than the one we find in the actual game. No way was 13...g5 a decent move.|
|Jun-14-15|| ||Moszkowski012273: Also your 13...Ne5 line is another way for black to get a decent game but 15...h5 loses to 16.Nxe6... And what's with all the exclams?|
|Jun-14-15|| ||Moszkowski012273: And 19.f4... is AWSOME!|
|Jun-15-15|| ||patzer2: <Moszkowski012273> I said 13...g5 is not a bad move for several reasons.|
First, Black can improve on the game follow-up with 15...Ne5 =, avoiding the 19. f4! win for White.
Second, computer analysis with Deep Fritz 14 at 23 depth shows 13...g5 = (+0.23 @ 23 depth) to be Black's best move in the position.
However, that being said, I don't put much stock in the computer analysis of this position.
Instead, I prefer your idea 13...dxe4 14. g5 hxg5 15. hxg5 exf3 16. gxf6 Nxf6 = (diagram below)
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with three pawns for the piece in a roughly equal but difficult and unbalanced position.
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