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Tigran Vartanovich Petrosian vs Robert James Fischer
Portoroz Interzonal (1958), Portoroz SLO, rd 13, Aug-27
English Opening: Anglo-Indian Defense. Queen's Knight Variation (A16)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Tigran Vartanovich Petrosian vs Robert James Fischer (1958)


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Jul-13-11  rannewman: When you point out and ask about an idea which was pointed out at bobby's book, it looks like you are just trying to show-off with some suprior insight that you don't acutally posses. If you actually havn't read the book tho, it's realy good book :)
Feb-07-12  MrMacisu: can you see that watch? too bigggg
Aug-15-12  Cemoblanca: Here is the photo solution:

http://www.beloblog.com/ProJo_Blogs...

"Then-15-year-old chess star Bobby Fischer, left, and Russian grand master Tigran Petrosian play a PRACTICE game at Moscow's Central Chess Club, June 30, 1958."

Aug-15-12  TheFocus: Actually, this is a blitz game, not a practice game. The occasion was Bobby's trip to Moscow as a guest of the Soviet Union.

Tigran was called in to play against Bobby as Bobby was scoring quite well against the Soviet masters, showing them up at blitz chess, as it were. Bobby was scoring over 60% in the games.

Petrosian was one of the best blitz players in the Soviet Union.

Aug-15-12  Petrosianic: Isn't blitz a kind of practice?
Aug-15-12  TheFocus: Kinda. Sorta. Maybe.

But PRACTICE to me infers an informal game, not blitz.

Depends on how you define "practice."

Aug-29-12  TheFocus: This is game 3 in Fischer's <My 60 Memorable Games>.
Dec-28-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: The guy on the left is a Portorozian.
Apr-19-15  Howard: Fischer claimed that 25.Bh5 would have "tied (him) up completely."

Would that have been a forced win ?

Jul-28-15  NeverAgain: The photo for this game is most likely correct. The little of the position on the demonstration board that can be made out against the overhead lamp's glare matches the in-game position after 7. d3.

Further reasons why this could not be a photo from Moscow: a) If this were indeed a casual blitz/training game there wouldn't be signs with players' names at the playing tables, much less flags. b) The most conclusive evidence against the Moscow scenario is the words "a potezi" visible on the demonstration board. It's not Russian or even Cyrillic. It's "and moves" in Serbo-Croatian.

Jul-28-15  RookFile: Such masterful play by Petrosian in this game. Fischer did very well to survive this.
Jul-31-15  Howard: For those of you with engines, would
25.Bh5 had won ?
Aug-08-15  Howard: Just can't help but suspect that Petrosian should have come closer to a win than he actually did.
Aug-11-15  NeverAgain: Howard:
25. Bh5 Ne7 26. Ne3 Kh8 27. Rh4
Kg8 28. a3 a4 29. Rh1 Kh8 30. Be2 Qe8 0.89/35 (Stockfish 6, 171M nodes)


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Aug-26-15  Howard: Thanks much, not to mention for your helpful comments regarding Portisch-Huebner, 1979 !
Aug-26-15  NeverAgain: You are welcome.

A few days later I ran the position after 25.Bh5 through Komodo 6, a little longer this time (between 400 and 500mN), and while the proposed lines were slightly different the eval was similar.

The thing all those lines had in common was that both engines sought to redeploy the Bishop to the b1-h7 diagonal ASAP, which leads me to think that 25.Bh5 is a dead end. After Black plays 25...Ne7, which is part of his plan anyway, the Bishop is not doing much on h5.

Sep-27-15  equalizer4: The other player (standing) is the Argentinian Grand Master Hector D. Rossetto. By the way, in 1964 in Havana, Cuba, I played against Rossetto in the giant simultaneous display during the opening of the III Capablanca Memorial International Chess Tournament...Rossetto playing a Ruy Lopez (Spanish Opening)simply crushed me without remorse, lol, my Defense was Closed Morphy. September 27th, 2015.
Apr-25-17  andrea volponi: 57 Rh1 c3 -f5!? c5 -Rc1 Kd4 -f6 Kd3 -g5 Rf8 -Kg4 Kd2 -Rf1 c2 -Kf5 c1=D -Rxc1 Kxc1 -g6 c4 -g7 Rxf6 Kxf6 c3 -g8=D c2 draw.
Jul-26-17  Howard: Does anyone know if there's, say, a PDF file giving corrections/improvements to Fischer's M60MG?

At least 10-12 games in that book--including this one--have had analytical errors exposed over the years, largely due to chess engines.

Jul-26-17
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  whiteshark: <Howard>
There's <Robert Hübner: "Materialien zu Fischers Partien" (roughly <Materials to Fischer's games>, 235 pages, published 2004)>, where he is analysing <the quality of Fischer's M60MG <annotations>> and thereafter classifying its mis-evaluations and mistakes.

I don't know of any English translation.

Aug-30-17
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  Beancounter: This is game 3 in Fischer's 60 memorables. He called it 'Bear Hug' and comments on Petrosians move 8, "Reckoning he can afford this loss of time in view of Black's misplaced 'KN'."
Aug-30-17
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  4tmac: 57. Rh7! c6 58. Rd7+ Kc5 59. Rd1 c3 60. f5 Rd8 61. Rc1 Kd4 62. Kf4 Kd3 63. f6 Kd2 64. Ra1 c2 65. g5 Ra8 66. Rg1! Re8 67. f7 Re1 68. Rg2+ Re2 69. Kf3!! Rxg2 & #40 .... but I still think it is a draw (maybe 60..Kb4) What is the "latest" news on this ending??
Aug-30-17  Howard: Charles Sullivan discovered back in about 2009 that the much-heralded 57.Rh7+ would NOT have won after all.
Apr-17-18  dehanne: In his book 51.Kd6 is called a blunder but it completely holds. 54.Kd6 on the other hand is a mistake.
Apr-17-18  Howard: "51.Kd6" ain't legal".
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