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|Jan-26-08|| ||JG27Pyth: ! Much better than the usual Saturday performance for me. I analyzed lines arising from the patzer check 18. Qg8+ which led to lots of lines that were winning but I needed a tempo...whereupon I thought, hey, without the check I might get my tempo, which led to 18.Qh6! and 19.Nh5 but I missed black's 18.exf4 opening the diagonal to let black's queen in on the defense. But even though I had missed black's 18...exf4 my continuation 19. Nh5 remained correct. Only now the continuation I had thought was a mating net would "only" win the Queen. So I feel like I deserve at least 1/2 if not 3/4 credit for 18.Qh6 and 19.Nh5 even if I missed black's best defense to 18.Qh6.|
|Jan-26-08|| ||JG27Pyth: <why don't black play BxB at move 15>|
Then Fischer's 16.Nce4 forks Q and B, and white will still open up the kingside pawns, exchanging N for B. (16...Qd6 17.Nh5 and the bishop is getting in hot water.)
|Jan-26-08|| ||Creg: <weary willy> I did the exact same thing, with the identical other game in mind! Ha! That's funny.|
|Jan-26-08|| ||meteficha: I got a saturday!
|Jan-26-08|| ||newzild: Creg: <weary willy> I did the exact same thing, with the identical other game in mind! Ha! That's funny.|
Me too! That makes three. Although I seemed to recall that white had a powerful light-squared bishop in that game, and that the sac was of the "blocking" variety. Also that it arose from a Pirc.
Absolutely wonderful game by Fischer here - he was only 16 or something like that. Beautiful clarity of play. Already showing his Capablanca-like touch.
|Jan-26-08|| ||JG27Pyth: Earlier I wrote: <16...Qd6 17.Nh5 and the bishop is getting in hot water.> ooops, Qd6 should be Qe7 ... (why CG doesn't give us an Edit function, I don't understand)|
|Jan-26-08|| ||patzer2: <Terry McCracken: If 17..ef 18. Nf5! winning.> I agree. However, after 17..ef 18. Nf5! exf5 19. Rxf4 Qxe4 20.
Rxe4 fxe4 21. Qxa5 Be6 22. Bd5 f5 23. Bxa8 Rxa8 it's just barely winning, and White still has some resistance to overcome before bringing home the full point.|
|Jan-26-08|| ||kevin86: A really nice combination (as always) by Fischer. I saw that the crucial goal was to get rooks and queen to the h-file. I just couldn't execute it like BF. |
It was a pity that 19 f5 wasn't played,for after exf5, black would have had quadrupled pawns. It was unsound,obviously, and would have made much better art than chess.
|Jan-26-08|| ||patzer2: The defensive possibility 16...Qc7! is interesting. After 16... Qc7! 17. Qh5 exf4 18. Qh6! fxg3 19. Rf3!
Bb7 (19... Nxb3? 20. Nxg3 ) 20. Rxg3+ Qxg3 21. Nxg3 Kh8 = (diagram below)|
click for larger view
it's roughly equal in an unbalanced position. I suspect White might have winning chances, but it's certainly not clear or easy.
|Jan-26-08|| ||johnlspouge: Saturday (Very Difficult): White to play and win
Material: Down N+P. White can recapture most of the material with axb3 or cxb3. Black has 2 sets of doubled Ps and 3 P islands, and his K-side is ragged, with the doubled Ps obstructing defenses by the 2Bs and Q. White has a spatial advantage on the K-side; Black, on the Q-side. If the action is on the K-side, the Nb3 is useless for defense and tempi need not be expended on its capture. If necessary, the Rf1 can be lifted rapidly to strengthen the attack. The Pf6 looks most immediately vulnerable to the Ns' attack, but the Ng3 is required to protect the Ne4. The Ph7 and the square g7 are also targets.
Candidates (18.): Qh6, Qg4+, f5, Ng5, Nf5, Nh5, Rad1, c3
I saw the basic threat with Qh6 and Nh5, but tried to strengthen the attack with a preliminary deflection
18.c3 bxc3 19.bxc3 Qd8 20.Rad1
overlooking a key defensive resource, the interposition 20...Nd4.
Fischer builds such rock-solid positions that I find it hard to sort out the best key move from all the good possibilities.
Time to check the kibitzing. Lots of pain and suffering, as usual this week. RJF <was> good!
|Jan-26-08|| ||blair45: <<weary willy: Oh! A little learning (and a lot of stupidity) is a very dangerous thing. I thought I remembered this game and recalled the motif of Rf6 to block the f pawn ... and tried to make it fit here ... wrong game ... that's another Fischer-Benko! Fischer vs Benko, 1963>> Welcome to the club.|
|Jan-26-08|| ||weisyschwarz: No, missed. I looked at doing something with Qg4+.|
|Jan-26-08|| ||MaczynskiPratten: I was thinking of blocking the f pawn too (to stop f5 and prevent Black's Queen guarding g7) but my move was f5 as a preliminary to Qh6 and Nh5. Might work?! If Qe3 then Rae1. If exf5 then Qh6.|
|Jan-26-08|| ||Hoozits: Why not the immediate 20. Nef6+, ...?|
|Jan-26-08|| ||littlefermat: <Hoozits>
I imagine Fischer wanted to push the black queen off the a1-h8 diagonal so he could deliver mate--however Benko stubbornly held on, only to lose his queen several moves later.
|Jan-26-08|| ||JG27Pyth: <Why not the immediate 20. Nef6+, ...?> Because the a-rook is en prise! If Fischer plays Nef6+ immediately, then the combinations plays the same until 23...Nxa1|
|Jan-26-08|| ||just a kid: I don't believe I got it!It took me about 20 minutes to get Qh6!Nonetheless I'm 6 for 6.Even though I probably won't Sunday's insane puzzle.|
|Jan-26-08|| ||wals: Into the breach once more,
What do we have to ruminate on today?
White will lose a Rook if N x a1
Blacks Queen will be under threat by Ra-d1 or Rf-d1 or c3
blacks knight willl be under threat by a x b3 or c x b3
blacks King would be under threat by Qg4
so on the hit parade black is under duress
O yes white could loose a pawn by Q x b2
What to string together ........
18.Qg4+... Kh8 19.Ra1-e1... Rg8 20.Qh3 no scrub this
18.Qh6...Q x b2 19.Ne4 x f6+...B x f6 20.Q x f6
Good show old chap a winning move.
Fritz 11 preferred Ra-d1
|Jan-26-08|| ||xrt999: I am blown away by all the posts from "serious" players who are analyzing how/why they got or didnt get the "puzzle" which consists of 18.Qh6, Fischer vs Benko Bled 1959, one of the most well-known games ever played. This game is extensively analyzed in just about every chess book ever written, not to mention extensively annotated in Chessmaster.|
|Jan-26-08|| ||pawnofdoom: lol my idea was Nf5 followed by Rd3. Little did I realize that that would cost me probably a rook, a long with being down two minor pieces. IN return I get a failed attack.|
|Jan-26-08|| ||johnlspouge: <xrt999>, to respond to your amazement, if you check the bios, you will find that I, like many others visiting this site, am more than 50 years old and am rediscovering the chess joys of my youth. Although I cannot speak for others, I have only the vaguest feeling of deja vu about Fischer's games, because more than 35 years have passed since I last admired them. Right now, I find the exercise of trying to solve the daily puzzles more elevating to my chess skills than remembering the corresponding positions from yesterday's skim through a chess book. Given the number of posts today from people missing the solution because they wanted to play the move Rf6 from a different Fischer-Benko game, this probably is not a bad strategy for improving my chess. In any case, I will now go off into a corner, have a senior moment, drool involuntarily, and then look forward to tomorrow's puzzle. And I might get it, whether I have seen the position before or not.|
|Jan-26-08|| ||DarthStapler: At least I saw the general idea (but I also saw several other ideas that turned out not to work)|
|Jul-30-08|| ||Jason Frost: How does white win after 17...exf4|
|Jul-30-08|| ||najdorfman: Jason Frost:
If 17...exf4, then white plays 18. Nf5 (attacking black's queen as well as threatening 19. Qg4+ followed by mate on g7.) 18...exf5 19. Rxf4 Qxe4 20. Rxe4 fxe4 21. Qxa5 and white is up the exchange.
|Jul-30-08|| ||Jason Frost: Ty, very nice line, especially the hidden 21. Qxa5|
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