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Robert James Fischer vs Mikhail Tal
"French Drawings" (game of the day Oct-15-07)
Leipzig Olympiad Final 1960  ·  French Defense: Winawer. Retreat Variation Armenian Line (C18)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Robert James Fischer vs Mikhail Tal (1960)

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Nov-26-11
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  jessicafischerqueen: <Analyze this Rook File> I've noticed you've been really active recently especially on Bobby's pages- very good to see your many posts.
Nov-26-11  Ladolcevita: Nice pun,and such a beautiful game!
When two geniuses meet,it's so subtly amazing...and drawing seems the most appropriate result.
Nov-26-11  Penguincw: Very interesting game. Both sides really try to attack one another. Out of the 21 moves in this game, 11 had at least 1 capture and 6 had both sides capturing and also there were 9 captures in a row at one point.
Nov-26-11
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  harrylime: A dull and boring draw lol
Mar-11-12
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  Calli: Quick action by CG on the picture suggestion!

Okay now why is Fischer's forename missing from his namecard?

Mar-11-12
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  tpstar: Great picture! The first time I have seen Tal go by "Michael" too. =)

Tal is in the act of playing 7 ... Ne7.

Fischer was only a Grossmeister while Tal was a Weltmeister.

Mar-11-12  Zugzwangovich: <tpstar> First time I've seen it in writing, too, but during a Q&A session prior to a simul Tal gave in 1988 someone asked him, "how would the Mikhail Tal of 1988 play against the Mikhail Tal of 1960?" He answered, "Both Michaels are sure they will be crushed!"
Mar-11-12
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  brankat: A beautiful photo! Has it really been 52 years already!?
Mar-11-12
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  brankat: After the game Fischer admitted to M.Tal: "You are not a bad player." :-)
Mar-11-12
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  technical draw: Is that Bent Larsen peeking at the board?
Mar-11-12  SimonWebbsTiger: @<TecnicalDraw>

nope, not Larsen.

Mar-11-12
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  technical draw: Thanks, <Simon>..
Mar-12-12  sneaky pete: The man standing behind Fischer looks like Milko Bobotsov and the one on the left (with tie and glasses) may be Werner Golz
Mar-12-12
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  roberts partner: Not Bobotsov, maybe Julius Szabo of Romania. The tie/glasses spectator is Raaphy Persitz of Israel. Namecards generally at Leipzig only gave surnames and Fide titles, I guess Tal got special treatment as world champion.
Mar-14-12
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  technical draw: And the man sitting down with the hat on his lap is Saul Alinsky.
Mar-31-12
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  wordfunph: Tal admitted that he decided to play the French Defence while at home, and spent 10 minutes at the board hesitating to move his king's pawn one square forward.

thanks to CG for the nice pic.

Jun-17-12  Howard: If one Googles both the expressions "World Championship Robert Fischer" and also "Huebner" , you will pull up something from the www.chessdevon.com website, in which Huebner puts this game "under the microscope."

Suffice to say that Huebner gives extensive analysis of 19.Kf1 and concludes that White does NOT lose by force, as Fischer claims in M60MG.

Soltis' book about the top 100 games of the 20th century, briefly presents this game as being way "over-rated", and in his light notes, he too gives analysis attributed to Khaulifman (sp?) which argues the same point. In other words, Fischer's move 19.Kh1 was certainly the safer alternative....but it was NOT forced---contrary to what Fischer and legions of others have claimed.

Jun-18-12  RookFile: Tal's play was spectacular in this game. Fischer's was solid and he used his advantage of the the first move to ensure he had the draw in hand. Nothing wrong with that, by the way.
Jun-18-12  diceman: <technical draw:
And the man sitting down with the hat on his lap is Saul Alinsky.>

<hat on his lap>
I guess it was an exciting game.

Aug-29-12
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  TheFocus: This is game 23 in Fischer's <My 60 Memorable Games>.
Aug-29-12  ChessYouGood: Amazing to hear that after the game Fischer said to Tal: "You are not a bad player." Tal had absolutely owned Fischer (already the USA champion) up until 1960, 4-0 (and would subsequently lose only 2 classical games to Fischer over the rest of their encounters). With a nil score against the world champion and having been dumped on repeatedly, you would think that black's easy draw here wouldn't exactly need to be the catalyst for Fischer's recognition of Tal's superiority. Such was the arrogance of the man.
Aug-29-12
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  talisman: <ChessYouGood> Great post. Up until the last line, which should have read. "Such was the man."...love the picture.
Aug-30-12
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  TheFocus: <ChessYouGood> You are a little mistaken here.

According to Tal himself, he was interviewing Fischer at the 1962 Varna Olympics:

<The first question I asked him was: "Whom do you consider to be the strongest player in the world?" He looked at me with such surprise that I hurriedly added, "Excluding yourself, of course." He again looked at me carefully: "Well, you don't play badly.>"

At this time, Bobby had defeated Tal twice.

Aug-31-12
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  perfidious: < ChessYouGood: ....Tal had absolutely owned Fischer (already the USA champion) up until 1960, 4-0 (and would subsequently lose only 2 classical games to Fischer over the rest of their encounters)....>

That would be 4-0, with two draws, prior to this battle royal; moreover 'only' two classical losses doesn't make sense-they played four classical games after this. If you want to indulge in slanted posts, you'll be well ahead of the game if you practise such when the facts are less clear-cut.

<....With a nil score against the world champion and having been dumped on repeatedly, you would think that black's easy draw here wouldn't exactly need to be the catalyst for Fischer's recognition of Tal's superiority....>

The score wasn't nil; see above.

This draw was far from 'easy'-it was hard-fought despite its brevity-but why let facts get in the way of a good story?

Aug-31-12  diceman: < ChessYouGood: ....Tal had absolutely owned Fischer (already the USA champion) up until 1960>

Equals:

Fischer as kid: negative score
Fischer as adult: positive score

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