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| Aug-27-20 | | FORCED ADOPTION: You are right beatgiant ! I was wandering...... |
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| Sep-01-20 | | Chesgambit: 11.Re1 Re8 12.Nf4 e6
11...Rc8 12.Ba3 Re8 13.Rc1 e5!
I think 10.Nf4 is better |
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| Sep-01-20 | | Chesgambit: 15.Nd4 is better avoid Nxf2 |
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| Sep-01-20 | | Chesgambit: 13. Rad1 14...Qd7 15.Nf4! |
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| Sep-01-20 | | Chesgambit: opps 14.Rad1 *** Qc8 (Qd7 Nf4?! Bxf1)
attacking on c3 Nxd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Rd8 f4 Rxd5 Qxd5 Bb7 Qd2 Qc6 Qd5 Qxd5 Rxd5 Bxd5 fxe5 Bxe5 Rd1 Be4 Rd7 Bf5 Rd2 Rc8 black is better because black have bishop pair white e3 pawn is weak |
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| Sep-06-20 | | FORCED ADOPTION: yes after black's........ 14.Nd3 surely white can counter with 15. Nd4 blocking up the middle !
After... 15.Ne4 16.NXN PXN 17.Bf1 threatening 18.Pf3 attacking the support for the black knight white can at least hold out for a draw? Maybe Rb1 and Bb2 should precede this but I ask other Kibitzers what they think ! |
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Sep-09-20
 | | keypusher: <FORCED ADOPTION: yes after black's........ 14.Nd3 surely white can counter with 15. Nd4 blocking up the middle ! After... 15.Ne4 16.NXN PXN 17.Bf1 threatening 18.Pf3 attacking the support for the black knight white can at least hold out for a draw? Maybe Rb1 and Bb2 should precede this but I ask other Kibitzers what they think !> I had SF10 look at this for three hours/63 ply. The eval was -3.32. So it's better than some of the other things we've looked at, but still hopeless. Main line FYI is 17....Bxd4 18.ed Qxd4 19.Bxd3 ed 20.Bb2 Qd6 21.Qc3 f6 22.Qxf6 Qxf6 23.Bxf6 Re2 24.a4 Rf8 25.Bd4 Rd8 26.Bc3 Rc2 27.Bd2 Bb7 28.Bg5 Rd5 29.Be3 d2, etc. |
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| Sep-10-20 | | FORCED ADOPTION: Thank you keypusher for your time and patience.
In the mainline you kindly illustrated perhaps 17.Bb2 would be safer( as I suggested as a possibility above).I suppose white must at all costs avoid turning a supposedly weak isolated pawn into a raging monster passed pawn so the black knight can only be taken if the pawn goes at the same time.Bf1 can follow and maybe white can survive..........? |
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Sep-10-20
| | keypusher: <FORCED ADOPTION: Thank you keypusher for your time and patience. In the mainline you kindly illustrated perhaps 17.Bb2 would be safer( as I suggested as a possibility above).I suppose white must at all costs avoid turning a supposedly weak isolated pawn into a raging monster passed pawn so the black knight can only be taken if the pawn goes at the same time.Bf1 can follow and maybe white can survive..........?> This line (15.Nd4 Ne4 16.Nxe4 dxe4 17.Bb2) works better than 17.Bf1 at once. I downloaded SF12 (Ayler Kupp has kindly provided a link at the Stockfish page) and let it run for about five hours. It ended up with an eval of -2.47, 53 ply. But, unlike most of the lines we've reviewed, White is able to gradually simplify to an ending, albeit a lost ending. The SF main line is:
17... Rc8 18. a4 h5 19. Ra2 Nxb2 (surprising, but I guess you could say Bobby played similarly against Petrosian) 20. Qxb2 h4 21. Bh3 Rc7 22. Raa1 Bd3 23. Rac1 Rc5 24. b4 Rxc1 25. Rxc1 Qd6 26. a5 Rd8 27. Qd2 Bxd4 28. exd4 Kg7 29. gxh4 Qf6 30. Bg4 Rxd4 31. h3 bxa5 32. bxa5 Rd5 33. Qc3 Qxc3 34. Rxc3 f5 35. Rc7+ Kf6 36. Rc6+ Ke5 37. Rxg6 fxg4 38. Rg5+ Kd4 39. Rxd5+ Kxd5 40. hxg4 Be2 41. Kh2 Bxg4 Obviously there are lots of reasonable alternatives to those moves, but if you want to explore them I suggest you download SF12 for yourself and have at it. |
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| Sep-26-20 | | FORCED ADOPTION: I can't help feeling in the example above that my natural reaction to 18.. h5 would have been 19.h4 saving that section from attack and a lot of bother later on.Maybe I missed something........ |
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Sep-26-20
| | keypusher: <FORCED ADOPTION: I can't help feeling in the example above that my natural reaction to 18.. h5 would have been 19.h4 saving that section from attack and a lot of bother later on.Maybe I missed something........> I'm done running analyses for you, FA. If you want to find out why 19.h4 doesn't save White, you're free to download SF for yourself. |
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| Sep-26-20 | | FORCED ADOPTION: I am an old fella and I don't know what is mean't by SF or where the stockfish page is to be found for the link you previously mention !
However I will take your word for it that even 19.h4 does not save white from eventual defeat.. |
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| Jan-07-21 | | MrJafari: Even Fischer's opponents were so smart! |
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| May-09-21 | | Messiah: Not bad! |
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| Feb-12-22 | | GlennOliver: "And White resigns. Fischer writes: "A bitter disappointment. I'd hoped for 22.Qf2 Qh3+ 23.Kg1 Re1+!! 24.Rxe1 Bxd4 with mate to follow shortly."" Does anyone see that short path to victory from Fischer's preferred continuation? The best I can find is another 20 moves or so for Black to force the mate. |
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| Feb-13-22 | | Brenin: <GlenOliver>: I agree: White can avoid immediate mate by blocking the a8-h1 diagonal with 25 Ne4 or Re4. He loses the Q (and more), and has a hopeless position, but at least mate does not "follow shortly". |
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| Jul-14-22 | | against: light square strategy |
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Feb-02-23
 | | Korora: After 22.♕f2 ♕h3+ 23.♔g1 ♖e1+ 24.♖xe1 ♗xd4 White can only delay the inevitable by four moves--and that's if White goes for a spite check and then gives up the ♕ for lost! |
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| May-24-24 | | condor: So much better than the immortal game. Shows Fischer as the most inventive of all time. |
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| Jun-25-24 | | condor: Cosmic |
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| Mar-10-25 | | Petrosianic: I'm looking at Chess Review's write-up on this game. Their annotator makes no mention of the whole story about Rossolimo thinking Byrne had resigned, and makes it sound as if they found all of Fischer's moves to be obvious. Holy Walter Mitty, Batman! <
14. KR-Q1
The isolani is poisoned. 14. BxP is punished by N-B6ch or NxB; and NxP by NxN, etc. 14 . . . N-Q6
Now Black has the superior position and probably even threatens 15 ... NxP although the consequences of this sacrifice are somewhat obscure. 15 Q-B2
It seems that White can perceive only his own threats. Does he expect Black to wait for 16 RxN? 15 N-Q4 sets up better resistance. The text loses quickly. 15 ... NxP!
This sacrifice is decisive. White's last move has added greatly to the effect of this looming stroke. 16 KxN N-N5ch
17 K-N1
This is White's only reply. 17 K-B3, RxPch 18 KxN , B-B1ch 19 K-81, 8-R3 is mate. 17 . . . , NxKP
Herewith Black wins a terrific tempo.
The flaw of White's fifteenth move is now apparent. 18. Q-Q2 NxB!
The text is much stronger than 18 ... NxR. And Fischer must hardly have looked at 18 ... NxR. He moved fast, following his sublime sense of efficiency. 19. KxN P-Q5
The last two moves constitute in some sense a new and separate combination. 20. NxP
White can do nothing else to any reasonable effect. 20... B-N2ch
21. K-B1
Though the King has four squares for retreat, each is worse than the others in a manner of speaking. 21 K-R3, Q-Q2ch 22 P-KN4, P-KR4 is a dead end. 21 K-N1, BxNch 22 QxB. R-K8ch, is horrendous. And 21 K-B2. Q-Q2 leads to a fate like that in the actual game (22 N-B3. Q-83 23 Q-Q3, B-Q5ch 24 K- N2, R-K6l). 21... Q-Q2
Resigns
The double threat of 22 .. , Q-R6ch and 22 . . . R-Q1 is devastating: e.g. 22 Q-KB2, Q-R6ch 23 K-N1, R-K8ch! 24. RxR, BxN, etc.> I particularly like the "etc." at the end. He might as well have said "yawn". The bit about White seeing only his own threats is comical too, in light of what actually happened. And some of these comments just talk without saying anything at all. (The last two moves constitute in some sense a new and separate combination.) If there are any prizes for worst annotation of a classic game, this one must be a strong contender. |
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| Mar-10-25 | | Petrosianic: Sorry, that should be Rossolimo thinking FISCHER had resigned, of course. Either way, the story is conspicuously absent from Chess Review's coverage. |
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| Mar-20-25 | | Petrosianic: Laugh of the Day: A click-bait site on Facebook today posted 23... Re1+ as something that had actually occurred on the board. When I pointed out that the move was never played, another guy, not the original poster, angrily replied "It most certainly was!" Is this a new Fischer myth, because I've never heard it before, and don't know where this guy could have heard it except in this post itself. It's vaguely reminiscent of Alekhine publishing unplayed lines as having been played (although Fischer himself obviously isn't the culprit here). |
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Jul-07-25
 | | LIFE Master AJ: https://www.lifemasteraj.com/old_af... My analysis of this game. |
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Jul-08-25
| | LIFE Master AJ: http://www.ajschess.com/lifemastera... This is the link given in the web page above. (The link actually cited was the original link. However that GeoCities link no longer exists, as the original home of one of my chess sites was closed in about 2007.) |
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