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Mar-22-12
 | | TheFocus: <JoergWalter> You are very welcome. |
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| Mar-22-12 | | JoergWalter: <LIFE Master AJ:
#3.) This game won the first brilliancy prize ... were there any others that were (perhaps) almost as good?> Well, all games of the 1963/64 championship are posted by <suenteus> and this question just looks ignorant. <(perhaps) almost as good?> hilarious. |
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Mar-22-12
| | TheFocus: <Hilarious.>
And pathetic.
<AJ>'s actions and posts just this week make me think that he either needs to start taking his meds or get some prescribed to him. Maybe Ramone left him and he can't think straight anymore. Breaking up with a loved one will do that to you. |
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| Mar-22-12 | | King Death: < JoergWalter: <LIFE Master AJ: #3.) This game won the first brilliancy prize ... were there any others that were (perhaps) almost as good?> Well, all games of the 1963/64 championship are posted by <suenteus> and this question just looks ignorant.> The answer to this question is a matter of opinion anyway and the question itself is either being unaware of resources both here or possibly on other sites on the net or plain laziness. |
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| Mar-22-12 | | JoergWalter: <TheFocus>
Ramone "the cohiba" is not to blame if persuing other interests. |
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| Mar-22-12 | | King Death: By the way, isn't it great how <AJ> has his hermetically sealed world where his "boys" can tell him how great he is and with the kibitzing feature disabled on his pages, he can use his page to attack anybody that he perceives as an enemy with impunity, since they can't respond? The dream scenario for a paranoid. |
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Mar-22-12
| | TheFocus: <The dream scenario for a paranoid.> Or a coward. |
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| Mar-22-12 | | JoergWalter: splendid isolation? |
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| Mar-22-12 | | JoergWalter: <King Death: The answer to this question is a matter of opinion anyway>
yes, of course. but I would expect an expert like LMAJ who discussed the game with a number GM's that were present not to ask that question. |
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Mar-22-12
| | TheFocus: From <AJ>'s page: <LIFE Master AJ>< BTW - I am coming up with my own set of replay games ... it will have all the games from this site, and maybe a few more. In this way, you will be able to comment on the games, but the trolls will not ...> Does he mean just his games, or all the games on the site? Uh oh, Daniel. Now you got some REAL competition!
May as well shut down. |
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Mar-22-12
| | TheFocus: And who were these GMs? And when did he ask them?
Because in 1963, <AJ> was only what, 4 years old? And how many U.S. GMs were there in 1963 anyway? |
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| Mar-22-12 | | King Death: <JoergWalter: yes, of course. but I would expect an expert like LMAJ who discussed the game with a number GM's that were present not to ask that question.> The word is "genius" not "expert". |
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Mar-22-12
| | TheFocus: He's not an Expert, he's a Life Master!
And you know how precious few there are of them. |
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| Mar-22-12 | | JoergWalter: <TheFocus: And who were these GMs? And when did he ask them? Because in 1963, <AJ> was only what, 4 years old?> he asked them directly after he finished his simul against the <uninterested bystanders>. he went +20=0-0 and made Fischer jealous. |
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| Mar-22-12 | | SimonWebbsTiger: @<theFocus>
I am one who has never seen Byrne's notes -- they have only ever been alluded to in annotations in anthologies of Fischer's games. So ty once more for providing those notes. |
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Mar-22-12
| | TheFocus: That's probably why Fischer went on the 1964 tour. To prove that <AJ>'s +20=0-0 was just a fluke, and that he was better in simuls. You notice that Fischer never played a tournament in Florida or Alabama? Now you know why. |
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| Mar-22-12 | | JoergWalter: Just remembered the final scene in "Cincinatti Kid". Fischer was smart enough and systematically evaded the challenge of a 4 year old wonderboy from Pensacola to be spared from such a loss. |
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Mar-22-12
| | TheFocus: <LIFE Master AJ> <As for the posts of a certain user, any contribution which documents both a book AND a magazine (if accurate) has got to be welcomed by all. (Thanks.)> I love this bank-handed attempt to thank me. I congratulated <AJ> on his winning the Louisiana Pro-Am, but he cannot rise to that level of decency. <However, it does not answer ALL of my questions, such as:#1.) Does Robert Byrne remember just who was there? (Who was watching the game and perhaps any disinterested bystanders?)> No, he was too busy playing to take down the names of the spectators, but it was the usual members and players from New York watching. Maybe some out-of-towners. <#2.) Of the GM's present, did any say that they thought Fischer was winning, or did everyone side with the commentators?> Everyone sided with the commentators. This has already been documented. NO ONE present thought Bobby was winning. Except GM Byrne. And Bobby. <#3.) This game won the first brilliancy prize ... were there any others that were (perhaps) almost as good?> Well, the second and third brilliancy prize winners were so close, but not close enough. <#4.) Some have described Byrne's play here as insipid. [Personally, I think it was only Bobby's genius that stopped Byrne cold.] Could he show us a few games - perhaps ones not in this (or any) database, in which he won, which might show this system in a better light?> You could look this one up yourself. I don't think GM Byrne comes here. <#5.) Were there any other aspects of this game - that were not written in any of the accounts - that he can recall?> Maybe I could ask him for you. Say "Pretty please, first." |
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Mar-22-12
 | | izimbra: It is a great game! But the comment attributed to Fischer -
<15. Qc2 "There is hardly any other defense to the threat of ...Ne4."
is plain wrong.
In fact <15.Qc2> walks the WQ into a fork after <15...Nxf3 16.Kxf2 Ng4+ 17.Kg1 Nxe3> <15 Rab1> and white maintains decent drawing chances. -e.g. <15... Ne4 16. Nxe4 dxe4 17.Bb4 Rc8 18.Bc3 Bf8 19.Nc1> or
<15 ..Rc8 16.Nf4 Ne4 17.Bxe4 dxe4 18.Nxe4 Nxf4 19.gxf4 Qxd2 20.Nxd2> |
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Mar-22-12
| | RookFile: Nearly 50 years after the game, folks running computers have all the answers. |
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| Apr-21-12 | | Everett: <RookFile: Nearly 50 years after the game, folks running computers have all the answers.> No one's games are immune to scrutiny, even brilliant ones like this. Nonetheless, the fact that White had only one strange rook move to survive after a mere 15 moves shows just how sharply and accurately Fischer played this game. IMHO this is his very best game outside of Game 13 of the '72 match. |
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Apr-21-12
 | | jackpawn: IMHO this was Fischer's greatest game. Byrne makes no obvious errors and yet is lost, as white, before move 20. Fischer's play was razor sharp, almost inhuman. Just amazing. |
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| Apr-22-12 | | teddysalad: In the 1956 Game of the Century, Donald Byrne never resigned...he let Fischer slap around his king until checkmate. Here, 8 years later, his brother Robert resigned before anybody even knew he was in trouble. I guess that makes Robert the wise sage of the Byrne family. |
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| Apr-22-12 | | Everett: <teddy salad> Actually, R. Byrne was one of Fischer's toughest opponents. Discounting the last two blitz games, they are nearly even. Fischer didnt pull ahead of him until Sousse '67. http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... |
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| May-05-12 | | chesstyro: <teddysalad> i read that when Donald saw what was about to unfold on him in 1956 he turned and told spectators board side something along the lines of " i am doomed, will play it out so this game can be studied for the next 100 years" over 50 years later we are still kibitzing about it. |
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