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Feb-08-14 | | Tim Delaney: 25. ... Resigns would not have been premature, IMHO. |
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Feb-08-14
 | | FSR: With that pun, I was expecting Annie to win, not get rolled off the board. Her opponent was the one who got his Alekhine's Gun. Incidentally, I don't understand why White didn't play 15.Bxc6 bxc6 16.exf6. Looks plenty winning to me. |
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Feb-08-14
 | | Phony Benoni: <Tim Dellaney> This was a team tournament, so Black would be inclined to continue fighting. <FSR> If it's any indication, White was rated 1686, Black 1861. http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain... |
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Feb-08-14 | | morfishine: Its thrilling to see two Grandmasters slug it out like this. Where does <CG> find such gems? |
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Feb-08-14 | | Garech: I hate to be a pedant, but doesn't the queen have to be at the rear to create an Alekhine's gun? -Garech |
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Feb-08-14 | | Nezhmetdinov: I'm with Garech on this, and I love being a pedant. |
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Feb-08-14 | | Ratt Boy: You guys... |
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Feb-08-14 | | sfm: <Garech: I hate to be a pedant, but doesn't the queen have to be at the rear to create an Alekhine's gun?> I remember a long debate in the forum in the 80's in the Danish 'Skakbladet' (="Chess Magazine"), the official publication for the national chess association, about this matter. Some pointed to examples of Q-R-R, like you, and others to R-Q-R. When somebody told me about the expression first time it was Q-R-R, so that became the definition for me. Today we can add to our inputs using Google:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alekhi... |
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Feb-08-14 | | morfishine: <Garech> Since a pedant overemphasizes minor details, you are not a pedant as this is not a minor detail It isn't even nit-picking since this piece arrangement isn't Alekhine's gun at all, just a tripling on the g-file |
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Feb-08-14 | | whiteshark: There is nothing stronger than a line-up of all three heavy pieces in a file (or rank). It's fun to observe it. Game Collection: 55d_Middlegame motifs - Alekhine's gun |
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Feb-08-14 | | sfm: I realize the debate would have been in the late 70's. (Just in case somebody should remember and get pedantic with me..:) |
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Feb-08-14 | | whiteshark: In my collection there are (only) 11 (pure) <Alekhine's guns> out of 102 trippling examples. |
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Feb-08-14 | | morfishine: I like this one with Alekhine forming "The Gun" from the Black Side: W Winter vs Alekhine, 1936 ***** |
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Feb-08-14 | | kevin86: White's domination of the black squares is a stunner. His taking of the lone white square at g8 is a winner! |
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Feb-08-14 | | Ferro: Cerda'staff |
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Feb-08-14
 | | Sneaky: <doesn't the queen have to be at the rear to create an Alekhine's gun?> To the chronically pedantic, yes. <FSR: With that pun, I was expecting Annie to win, not get rolled off the board. Her opponent was the one who got his Alekhine's Gun.> Thus proving once again the importance of the US Constitution and the second amendment. Annie's right to bear arms was infringed upon by White's oppressive play. |
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Feb-08-14 | | pericles of athens: Lovely pun! |
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Feb-08-14 | | Cheapo by the Dozen: <FSR>,
I'm not seeing the win you're speaking of. After 16 ... gxf6, Black's pawn structure is fried, but she also has a shot at an attack. |
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Feb-08-14 | | mbvklc: Cool pun, I wonder when was the last time it refered to something which actually happend in the game instead of play on the player names. |
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Feb-08-14 | | mmmjv: Why isn't my board showing up? And is there a forum or something somewhere for these kind of questions? I'm getting the do you want this application to run notice but then nothing. I'm also constantly getting NOTE: For compatibility reasons, your chess viewer was changed to "pgn4web". even though I'm constantly changing it to something else |
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Feb-08-14
 | | Phony Benoni: <mbvklc> Probably "The Tables Turned" for Dus Chotimirsky vs Rubinstein, 1907 on January 27. "Alekhine's Gun" began being talked about, as I recall, in the 1990s. It was probably meant as nothing more than a catchy name for a particular tactical manuever; instead of saying "Triple the heavy pieces on a file with the queen in the rear", you say "Alekhine's Gun" and everybody knows what you're talking about. Much the same idea as giving names to openings. Alekhine vs Nimzowitsch, 1930 was the game it was associated on and why the "pure" form is usually thought of as R-R-Q. But that particular configuration is of course much older, and there are certainly hundreds of examples in the database. The earliest I've found so far is Blackburne vs S Rosenthal, 1878, but a more thorough search would surely predate that. If you look at that game, you'll see that the "Gun" didn't have much direct effect on the outcome. The "Gun" is best used attacking the king, or when there are entry squares and targets for the heavy pieces. If the defending side can defeat the entry squares with minor pieces or use its own heavy pieces to neutralize the pressure, there's nothing special about the "Gun". It can even be a bit of a disadvantage, since the possessor has committed so much of his force to setting it up that he may have unprotected weaknesses elsewhere. Here are a few examples.
Antoshin vs Vasiukov, 1955, after <42.R6a3>:  click for larger viewBlack can control the entry squares with minor pieces, and has the possiblity of neutralizing the pressure with trades. White lost after getting a rook trapped on a6. A Medina Garcia vs Kashdan, 1932, after <36.Rdc2>:  click for larger viewBig deal. No targets, nowhere to penetrate. Black won in 101 moves. In M Shevchenko vs Mansur Musaev, 2001, after <26.Qh2>:  click for larger viewThe "Gun" is primed, but after 26...g5 and 27...h6 it was totally useless and Black won nicely on the underprotected queenside. Finally, it could be argued that R-Q-R is actually a stronger form of tripling thatn R-R-Q, since it gives the queen more of an active than a supporting role. Here's a nice example you might not be familiar with, from P J Sowray vs N Hutchinson, 2004:  click for larger viewBlack resigns, that being about the only constructive move he has left. White would still be winning if the ♕d5 and ♖d1 switched places, but the extra mobility of the Queen In The Middle is devastating. |
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Feb-08-14 | | chesswar1000: I was actually the one who submitted the pun, but all you "pundants" are right. |
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Feb-08-14
 | | FSR: <A Medina Garcia vs Kashdan, 1932 ... Black won in 101 moves.> I guess that's what Kashdan meant when he said, "You will win with either color if you are the better player, but it takes longer with Black." <Chess Life & Review>, September 1969, p. 504. |
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Feb-08-14 | | waustad: <mmmjv>Do you use cg.com with different platforms? That happens to me sometimes because I use both osX and an iPad and the latter doesn't support a java viewer. When it changes my preferences I just change it back when I'm on the other machine. It is easier than when I was still working because I would use Solaris and Linux regularly too. |
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Feb-09-14 | | mmmjv: waustad:
No. I just use a laptop with Windows Vista. The boards coming up now though. I have no idea why because I didn't do anything that I know of. Thank you |
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