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|Jun-07-07|| ||macphearsome: I don't normally get thursday puzzles, but I got this one fairly quick. Looked at Bxh2, saw the knight, saw the rook sac to remove the knight.|
And yet, somehow, I missed the monday puzzle this week. :/
|Jun-07-07|| ||ruinme: This was easy..|
|Jun-07-07|| ||think: Doesn't 18. ... Bxg2 19. Kxg2 Rxf3 20. Kxf3 Qf5# <20. exf3 Qh2#> work as well, or am I missing something?|
|Jun-07-07|| ||scholes: 13 c5 was the big mistake after black played bh3 which made h3 impossible which was necessary to prevent ng4.after ..bh3 white was left with no means to protect his kingside as no of his pieces can move to protect h2 and g4 square and since f3 knight was overloaded rxf3 was just waiting to be played and white had no way to prevent that.May be white had tried 17 rf1-d1 or rf1-e1 to create room for his monarch but be1 sealed the fate |
meanwhile it is just view was view of a patzer correct me if i am wrong
|Jun-07-07|| ||al wazir: <bright1, think>: 18. ...Bxg2 19. Kxg2 Rxf3 20. Rh1.|
|Jun-07-07|| ||willyfly: <think> after 18...xg2 19 xg2 xf3 20 xf3 f5+ is not mate because of 21. Kg2 however <20 exf3 h2#> works|
the trouble with 18...xg2 is that it is not as forceful as 18...xf3 which demonstrates the principle of removing the guard.
|Jun-07-07|| ||chessmoron: So 18...Rxf3 19. Bxf3 Bg2 with Qh2 mating in a few moves.|
If 19. exf3 Bxg2 with Qh2 mating in a few moves.
If 19.Rc8+, ....
|Jun-07-07|| ||Sredni Vashtar: It is easy if white takes the rook: 18...Rxf3 19. Bxf3.|
If 18...Rxf3 19. Qe6, then the white king can escape because f3 is not blocked by its own piece.
|Jun-07-07|| ||Sredni Vashtar: In response to self: never mind. 18. ... xf3 19. e6 xg2 20. xg2 h2+ 21. xf3 f8+ 22. xg4 g6 etc should do it.|
|Jun-07-07|| ||dzechiel: There must be more to this position than meets the eye. There is. I was looking at:|
18...Bxg2 19 Kxg2 (you could play something like 19 Nh4, but then white would pull the bishop out to d5 and be up a clean piece) 19...Rxf3.
At first I noticed that white could not recapture with the pawn because 20 exf3 Qh2#, so I thought that white would have to take with the king 20 Kxf3 Rf8+ and mate next move.
But after 19...Rxf3 white does have the zwischenzug 20 Rh1! So where does this leave us? Perhaps we have the wrong move order.
How about 18...Rxf3 instead? If 19 exf3 then ...Bxg2 and mate next move. If 19 Bxf3 then ...Bg2! and it's all over but the shouting. On 20 Bxg4 Qh1#. On 20 Bxg2 or 20 Kxg2 then ...Qh2# delivers the goods.
I think this is it, time to check.
|Jun-07-07|| ||mkrk17: Surprisingly easy for a thursday. Usually thursdays, i huff and puff but i cant solve the puzzle. Today was nice and easy..|
|Jun-07-07|| ||spinal pat: My fastest Thursday puzzle ever, seems a little too easy for a Thursday, no?|
|Jun-07-07|| ||ahmadov: <spinal pat: My fastest Thursday puzzle ever, seems a little too easy for a Thursday, no?> Quite right...|
|Jun-07-07|| ||goldfarbdj: I thought the solution was 18. ... Bxg2 19. Kxg2 Rxf3. I overlooked 20. Rh1. Ouch.|
In the actual game, I think 19. ... Bg2 deserves at least !!, if not !!!. That's a really beautiful and unusual move.
|Jun-07-07|| ||somitra: Although today's puzzle is much easier than usual thursdays,
I couldn't get the solution as presented.
My solution was:
18. ... Bxg2
19. Kxg2 (forced because of mating threats on g1 and h1)
19 ... Rxf3
20. Rh1 (if 20. exf3 then 20 ... Qg2 #, and if 20. Kxg2 then 20 ... Rf1+ 21 Ke4 Qf5+ #)
20 ... Qf7
Now 21 QxQ or 21 exf3, and in either case black is up the material and winning.
Although not as fast as in the actual game.
I wondered how Koneru with white could allow such a crushing attack to develop on her king, and then realized that she was only 12 when this game was played.
|Jun-07-07|| ||alshatranji: somitra: I think your solution 20 ... Qf7 is brilliant. I didn't see it, ans it seems to solve the problem of Rh1 (as far as I can see). Black emerges with an extra piece.|
|Jun-07-07|| ||alshatranji: After 20. Rh1 Qf7, White's only move seems to be 21.Qa4, attacking the knight, whereupon Black can continue 21...Rxf2+, 22.Bxf Qxf2+, with a strong attack and significant material advantage. |
|Jun-07-07|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: I thought the solution was 18...Bxg2. I failed to spot <somitra>'s 20...Qf7, but I found another nice way for Black to win there: 18...Bxg2 19.Kxg2 Rxf3! 20.Rh1 Rxg3+!? 21.fxg3 Ne3+ and now:|
a) 22.Kg1 Qe2 23.Bf2 Rf8 24.Rh2 Ng4 and the fork of f2 and h2 wins back the exchange and leaves Black two pawns up.
b) 22.Kf2 is a forced mate: 22...Rf8+! 23.Kxe3 Qg5+ 24.Ke4 Rf4+ (Crafty found this mate continuation; I had felt that 24...d5+ winning the queen was enough, although even there, 25.Qxd5 Rf4+ still mates) 25.Ke3 Nf5+ 26.Kd2 Rc4+ 27.e3 Qxe3+ 28.Kd1 Rxc1#
|Jun-07-07|| ||Uri: Humpy Dumpy had a great fall
|Jun-07-07|| ||eblunt: Damn. I had Bxg2 first then Rxf3 after, which still wins I think, but a whole lot slower.|
Right idea, wrong order ...
|Jun-07-07|| ||eblunt: <dzechiel But after 19...Rxf3 white does have the zwischenzug 20 Rh1!>|
I got this far, and Black has the sneaky reply 20 ... Qf7, threatening the loose queen, which gains the tempo to get the rook out, leaving black a piece up. Or the more complicated 21 Qb4 Rxf2 etc. , leaving black material up with a very strong attack.
|Jun-07-07|| ||greensfield: Saw a mating pattern with the Knight on g4 & Queen on h2. So selected 18...Rxf3 to start clearing the defences. if:-
(1) 19.Bxf3 Bg2 20.Bxg2 (20.Kxg2 Qh2#) (20.Bxg4 Qh1# ) Qh2#
(2) 19.exf3 Bxg2 20.Kxg2 Qh2#
If White tries a counter attack with 19.Qe6 mate is slightly more complicated for Black, then after 19...Bxg2:-
if White retakes the Bishop
20.Kxg2 Qh2+ 21.Kxf3 Rf8+ 22.Kxg4
g6 and the King is trapped.
if White tries
20.Rc8+ or 20.Qc8+ Black has the resource Rf8 and the King is still trapped.
|Jun-07-07|| ||geigermuller: is it really Thursday? i got this in about 10 secs. Normally I cannot even solve Tuesdays properly.|
|Jun-07-07|| ||openingspecialist: Haha believe it or not i missed it I chose Bxg2 Kxg2 Rxf3 Rh1 Rxg3+ fxg3 Ne3+ Kg1 Qxe2 Bf2 .|
|Jun-07-07|| ||charms: Fairly easy for Thursday. Bg2! is neat, though.|
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