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Vladimir Kramnik vs Viswanathan Anand
Dos Hermanas (1999), Dos Hermanas ESP, rd 3, Apr-09
Queen's Gambit Accepted: Classical Defense. Main Lines (D27)  ·  1-0


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Jun-06-04  square dance: <iron maiden> i still dont get why you feel compelled to read something that is not directed at you. i dont get why anybody does that. i may think your opinion of ben lau is biased since you two seemed to have a good rapport lately. how is you being biased in favor of him different from me being biased against him. bias is bias. i could say that you continuously sticking up for bl is a little annoying too but that is your prerogative. i found many of the things he said annoying or offensive or directed at me so i spoke up just as you are doing now. you dont think this is hypocritical of you? as for appreciating what he brought to the site...yeah when he wasnt verbally brow beating people, or picking fights he was helpful. im just having a hard time understanding how you think that what im doing to ben lau is any different than what you're doing to me. we may go about it differently, but i am critisizing bl for the way he behaved on this site, and you are doing the same to me.
Jun-06-04  iron maiden: <tpstar> You're right, this site has enough endless, repetitive arguments, and even discussions on chess-related subjects usually turn into deathmatches. We should probably drop the whole thing, though it's difficult to do so if SD keeps reminding us of how BL is a jerk, or "full of it", etc. I can forget about squaredance's and Ben Lau's blood feud if they can.

Copy your kibitz above, tpstar; you should paste something similar on the FIDE WC page, where they're fighting World War III.

Jun-06-04  square dance: <tpstar> i appreciate what you said in your post, but i dont know what you mean by being sensative. my feelings are not hurt. i just dont like when people use lies to try to cast me in a negative light. e.g. me stabbing ben lau in the back several times. i just called out ben lau for this lie and frankly we would not still be having this discussion if iron maiden had not come to ben lau's rescue for the second time.
Jun-06-04  square dance: <iron maiden> yes i agree, i dont want to argue with you either. my whole point is that i had something to say in response to a lie about me in ben lau's profile so i said it. you responding actually drug the issue out further than i had anticipated. i felt compelled to say something, so did you. end of story...hopefully. ;-)
Jun-06-04  iron maiden: <SD>, read tpstar's kibitz, I'm too tired to repeat what it said. I'm not compelled to read your comments, but I still find some of them insightful and valuable, just like BL's. Problem is, there's no way to know whether your post is actually relevant to the conversation or just another jab at him. I know this is just "my prerogative," but I think it's downright childish to drag a grudge out this long. Can you give up posting the negative comments about Ben Lau and put your feud behind you? We are supposed to be talking about chess after all, and everyone on this site already knows what terms you and he are on.
Jun-06-04  iron maiden: <SD>, sorry; your last comment beat my last one to the message board. Let's just forget this whole thing, and hopefully, you can just forget your whole thing with BL too. End of story.
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  Benzol: <square dance> <iron maiden> :)
Jun-06-04  square dance: <everyone> instead of having me not say negative things about ben lau how about you all just join in with me in trashing him daily?!?! :-) oh what, not such a good idea? :-( oh well you cant a blame a guy for trying. :-p
Jun-06-04  ughaibu: He comes back or he doesn't, makes little difference if viewers dont read the whole thread.
Jan-18-05  Backward Development: Ben Lau's last post! It's a pity that he left. tsk, tsk, tsk. all about a feud. That's too bad. He had good game collections and interesting discussions. Oh well, I joined this site long after he was gone so, Too bad.
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  spirit: me too,but please you guys shouldn't start another...
Aug-15-06  KingG: Very nice attacking game. Who says Kramnik plays boring chess?
Aug-15-06  DCP23: Idiots.
Jun-24-07  gloomunster: Dang, everybody here is so darn mature, I'd never get stuff like this in Youtube
Dec-23-08  WhiteRook48: I know, I came here only at 2008, but I read a lot of posts and Ben Lau's were very amusing.
Dec-24-08  WhiteRook48: couldn't Ben just put the other guys on ignore instead of leaving the site? This makes little sense!
Dec-24-08  WhiteRook48: square dance - iron maiden + BL / AJ
Jan-02-09  WhiteRook48: what a Kramnik game. I thought he liked drawing games early. Or does he paint them?
Jan-29-09  WhiteRook48: ok, that last Dec-24-08 comment made little sense
Feb-01-09  WhiteRook48: why did Anand take the c4 pawn?
Aug-24-11  positionalgenius: Anybody have any commentary for this great game from the 1999 dos hermanes tournament? Adams won clear first for the best win of his career half a point ahead of kramnik. Anand finished dead last with 3.5/9
Aug-24-11  SimonWebbsTiger: @<positionalgenius>

there are some interesting junctures.

Kramnik, annotated this game in Informator 75/360 and it is also game no.135 in <Kramnik. My Life and Games> by Kramnik and Damsky (Everyman, 2000), where he mentions (his words highlighted):

15. Bf6!? Bf6 16. Qd3 g6 17. Ne5 Be5 18. Re5 Nc4 19. Re2

15...Nc4 <was more critical when I was intending to reply 16. Nd4!? is forced onto the defensive.>

19. Be7 (better) Qe7 20. Qh6 Qf8 21. Qh4

24...Qb2! This was Anand's best chance. Kramnik notes that it is only slightly for better for white, whilst the "forcing" 25. Nf5 leads only to a draw.

25. Nf5!?

27...Nb2?! Criticised by Kramnik 27...d4 28. Nf3 Rad8 29. Re2! < still faced with overcoming considerable technical difficulties.>

44. f5? <Sheer madness.> 44.Kf3 leaves Black no hopes at all

Aug-27-11  positionalgenius: <simon> Thank you sir for the notes!
Aug-27-11  SimonWebbsTiger: @<pg>

you are welcome.

The book mentioned is jam packed with great stuff. I am surprised, though, that a volume 2 or an updated version covering the championship years hasn't been released. Then again, Vlad is probably going to wait until his 40th, when he says he will retire from chess.

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  plang: The pawn sacrifice 13 d5 had first been played a few months earlier at Linares by Kasparov in his win against Ivanchuk. Ivanchuk had responded 13..Nc4; Anand varied with 13..Re8. Played in round 3; In round 8 (next to last) Illescas played 14 Qd3 against Anand and the game ended in a short draw. 15..Nxd5?! led to a strong initiative for White; 15..Nxc4 and 15..exd were alternatives. 20..fxg? would have led to a winning advantage for White after 21 Qg6+..Kf8 22 Qh6+..Kf7 23 Qh7+..Kf6 24 Nxh4..Qd7 25 Qg6+..Ke7 26 Nf5+..Kf8 27 Nh6..Qg7 28 Rxe6..Qxg6 29 Rxg6. Anand may have underestimated 32 Rd3! expecting instead 32 Rxd4..Bxf3 33 Rxd8..Rxd8 34 gxf..Nd2 35 Bg2..Rd3 36 f4..Nc4 where the d-pawn is captured under less favorable conditions than in the game. 36 Ra2! was quite clever intending to answer 36..Rc2 with 37 a4! and 36..Nc4 with 37 Rc2. 47 Nd3? would have lost to 48 Be4. On the other hand 48 Bb7..Nd6 49 Bxa6?..Rc6 would have won material for Black. A variation showing the superiority of the bishop is 66..Na5 67 Bd5!..Kc5 68 f3..Kb4 69 Kf5..Kxa4 70 Kxf6..Kb5 71 f4..Kc5 72 Ke6 and wins.
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