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|Jan-04-06|| ||Saruman: A monday puzzle perhaps? 25.-Qxe7 26.?|
|Jun-21-06|| ||offramp: Probably better for a Wednesday puzzle.|
|Jun-21-06|| ||LivBlockade: I looked at 23. Bxd6 first, but Black has defensive resources. Then I found the correct solution.|
|Jun-21-06|| ||RandomVisitor: 23.g5 is playable for a nice advantage but is not as good as 23.fxe5.|
|Jun-21-06|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: Should we give ourselves credit for solving this if we don't provide a winning line after 23...Rxf1+? I saw 24.Rxf1,dxe5; 25.Rf7,Re8; 26.Qg5. Is this good enough?|
|Jun-21-06|| ||al wazir: I protest! I saw the line played (it was the first one I considered), but I also saw that after 23.fxe5 Rxf1+ 24. Rxf1 (24. Bxf1 Nf3) dxe5, white doesn't have anything. 25. Rf7 is answered by 25...Re8 or Ndc6.|
MY line was 23. Bxd6. But I'm afraid it fails too after Qxd6 24. fxe5 Rxf1+ (24...Nxb3 25. Qxd6 Rxd6 26. exd6) 25. Bxf1 Qd7 (25...Qc4 26. b4) 26. Rd1 Nec6 27. Bg2 Rd8.
|Jun-21-06|| ||Fezzik: I think you should only get credit for 26.Qg5 if you saw that it threatens mate in 1 and the N on e7. Black's best move, 26...Ne6, is crushed by 27.Rxe7!|
|Jun-21-06|| ||Fezzik: FYI: I was talking about the line
23...Rxf1+?(?!) 24.Rxf1,dxe5; 25.Rf7,Re8; 26.Qg5
|Jun-21-06|| ||Tariqov: Yes i got it!!
<alwazir> You should look deeper,after 23fxe5!Rxf1 (I was trying to make Bxf1 work but Nf3 came in the way,so i checked Rxf1! and saw the rook can go to f7)24.Rxf1!dxe5 25.Rf7Re8 26Bxe7!. if Nc6 Kg1!!
|Jun-21-06|| ||Fezzik: Tariqov,
Your 26.Be7 also works, but I prefer 26.Qg5 because it's more forcing. I don't understand at what point you would have Black play "Nc6 Kg1!!"
BTW: This is an interesting combination in that it doesn't involve any real sacrifice. Nice choice, CG.com!
|Jun-21-06|| ||al wazir: <Tariqov>: Thanks. Yes, I should have looked deeper.|
OK, let's look together: 23. fxe5 Rxf1+ 24. Rxf1 dxe5 25. Rf7 Ndc6 26. Kg1 Qb6+. Now what?
|Jun-21-06|| ||dzechiel: I found the key move right away and noticed the line that the game took. I decided that black could improve with the rook capture zwishenzug, eg 23 fxe5 Rxf1+ 24 Rxf1 dxe5 25 Rf7 Ndc6 26 Qg5 and black has to defend both e7 and g7 without losing the queen to the rook.|
|Jun-21-06|| ||al wazir: <An Englishman>, <Fezzik>, <dzechiel>: OK, I agree. 26. Qg5 wins no matter how black tries to defend the ♘.|
|Jun-21-06|| ||patzer2: For today's puzzle solution, 23. fxe5! sets up a winning pin in the final position after 25...Qxe7 26. Qxd4! .|
Another possibility was the double attack 23 fxe5 Rxf1+ 24 Rxf1 dxe5 25 Rf7 Ndc6 26 Qg5 , as pointed out by <dzechiel>, threatening mate or the win of a piece.
|Jun-21-06|| ||Ernesto7: black always has ..Rxf1 Rxf1 Qb6 which loses the d6 pawn and should also lose the game for that matter but it holds a bit longer|
|Jun-21-06|| ||weary willy: If ....Rxf1+, doesn't white just take back with the bishop? |
If black plays ...Qc6+, then Bg2 ... and if ...Nf3, Qf4
|Jun-21-06|| ||chessgames.com: <Should we give ourselves credit for solving this if we don't provide a winning line after 23...Rxf1+? I saw 24.Rxf1,dxe5; 25.Rf7,Re8; 26.Qg5. Is this good enough?> It's splendid, full credit! If you saw up to 25.Rf7 Re8 then you probably knew intuitively that White must have a few different ways to win, including your 26.Qg5, but equally effective is the prosaic 26.Bxe7 exploiting the weak back rank.|
|Jun-21-06|| ||euripides: After <23 fe Rxf1+ 24 Rxf1 de 25 Rf7 Re8 26 Bxe7> it's worth glancing at 26...Kg8 (or h6 27 Rf8+) trying to exploit the pinned bishop, but 27 Bd5 looks decisive.|
White almost gets away with <23 fe Rxf1+ 24 Bxf1 Nf3> 25 Qe2 Nxe1 26 exd6 hoping to pick up two knights for the rook, but Black then has 26...Qc6+ reviving the e1 knight, when 27 Bg2 runs into 27...Nxg2 and after 27 Kg1 Nf3+ at least one of the knights can escape.
|Jun-21-06|| ||prinsallan: Much easier then yesterdays.
Got it in less then a minute.
|Jun-21-06|| ||pawntificator: Wow, this was rather complicated. I kept looking for something more forcing, but couldn't find it.|
I saw that black could take the rook with check if white played 23. fxe5. After the rook exchange, it gets becomes very difficult to see what might happen if black lets the pawn go and plays 23...Nec6.
Obviously white still has an advantage, but the lines diverge into such a large tree...anything could happen
|Jun-21-06|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: Boy, I must be out of shape. :( It's Wednesday and I've missed two this week already!|
|Jun-21-06|| ||Soltari: <EmperorAtahualpa: Boy, I must be out of shape. :( It's Wednesday and I've missed two this week already!> Same here, I got the first 2 moves, but missed the key one.|
|Jun-21-06|| ||babakova: I found it...|
|Jun-21-06|| ||Halldor: I missed it, thought 23.fxe5 ♖xf1+ 24.♖xf1 was the natural continuation, but I couldn't see anything there for White except a promising position, Black has many choises, 24...♘ec6 etc. Am I missing something?|
When I saw 23...dxe5 in the game I got the rest myself. 25.♗x♘ is nice, I can understand it at least.
|Jun-21-06|| ||Tariqov: <al wazir>sorry,I didn't see Qb6+.I'M the one who should look DEEPER:)|
I Did not see Qg5! after Ndc6 ,does that mean i failed??<chessgames.com>
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