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|Aug-06-16|| ||drollere: this is a terrific game. the choices here reflect the heat of the battle, and topalov's awareness of the forced mate following 25. ... Qxe7? is impressive.|
there are three moves that i've puzzled over. why not:
22. ... N(f)xd5
28. ... Bxd5
36. ... Qxf1
|Sep-23-16|| ||PawnSac: < offramp: <FairyPromotion>, I do understand your concept. But I dislike games where "one player plays, the other sits and applauds". I like games where both players play very well. I think Topalov was playing like a shill in this game. >|
in all fairness to Topa, in 1999 he was still in the 2600-2699 class and did not break into the 2700 club until the following year.
Garry on the other hand was still world champ and highest rated player in the 2820's i think (He lost the title to Kramnik's Berlin the following year).
So.. even if Topa was not in best form (and i'm not sure about that) he was still not Garry's equal. Considering Garry had white, the odds were strongly in his favor.
|Sep-23-16|| ||Olavi: Topalov was 2700 in Jan 1996 and 2750 in Jul 1996. He did drop to 2690 in Jul 1999, that is on the list after this game, the only time he has been below 2700 after crossing it.|
|Oct-24-16|| ||kirkow: kirkow: It seems that Topalov is the perfect client for immortalizing his opponent's game. Both Karpov and Kasparov played as white against him their best games. And the brilliant combination of both of them began with a rook sacrifice.|
|Oct-24-16|| ||Petrosianic: Hasty Generalization Fallacy
|Oct-24-16|| ||saffuna: There do appear to be top players who tend to be on the wrong side of great games: Portisch, Beliavsky, Topalov.|
But you have to be pretty great to lose an immortal game. If not nobody would pay attention.
|Oct-24-16|| ||Petrosianic: The real bummer is when that loss defines you. Just off the top of my head, both Kieseritzky and Napier are best known for games they lost.|
|Jan-11-17|| ||posoo: DA POSTS about how da rooksac is NOT a good move make da old posoo want to TEAR HSI FACE OFF and SHREEDD it! |
Dis is da CONSOMATE smashing moove and wat do we say - - - -
CHESS IS FOR FUN AND FOR SMASHING
so wat kb6 works a little bit? YOU TRY PLAYING KUSPOROV. SEE IF U FIND KB6
he'll smash u like a BULL smashines da CHINESE!
|Jan-11-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: <saffuna: There do appear to be top players who tend to be on the wrong side of great games: Portisch, Beliavsky, Topalov.
But you have to be pretty great to lose an immortal game. If not nobody would pay attention.> |
So this was Topalov's "I'm mortal"
|Jan-11-17|| ||tamar: My brother's explanation of why Topalov could not be an immortal is that he knew he was destined to topple off.|
|Jan-11-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: Which also makes it difficult to be on top of love|
|Mar-09-17|| ||RussP: More astonishing than not taking the rook when it is moved to E7, giving topalov a huge material edge, was not playing RD1+ on move # 31 then following up with QB3++ on # 32 to end it!|
|Mar-09-17|| ||offramp: <RussP: More astonishing than not taking the rook when it is moved to E7, giving topalov a huge material edge, was not playing RD1+ on move # 31 then following up with QB3++ on # 32 to end it!>|
RussP, welcome to cg.com. I am sure that you will enjoy yourself here! Thousands of great games of chess!
|Mar-10-17|| ||RussP: Is there another game where a master missed an OBVIOUS mate?|
|Mar-10-17|| ||chessamateur: <RussP: Is there another game where a master missed an OBVIOUS mate?>|
Deep Fritz vs Kramnik, 2006
|Mar-11-17|| ||RussP: Excuse my faux pas wording...believe the term MATCH is more appropriate. That other word I used, game, should be reserved for when commentating on checkers.|
|Mar-12-17|| ||FredGambit: No, RussP, you were right the first time. A match is a series of games, as in the Carlsen-Karjakin match.|
|Mar-17-17|| ||RussP: My error...white pawn prevents checkmate in earlier post.
After studying game for over a week now it looks as though it comes down to a known fact of not trotting to the enemy side of board with KING when all topalov had to do was move king to B8 after RE7 and tell kasparov I'm ready to trade now since the KNIGHT on A5 is dead in water and BISHOP on H3 is lame. Bet if you puched this play into computer, BLACK would win a very high percentage on this choice.|
|May-13-17|| ||ggwin5: @RussP
Re7 is the star move to find. And no .. going back to Kb8 (after Re7+) does not save the game because of Qxd4. (Qxd4 threatens Qa7#. Taking the rook is not possible due to Qb6+ followed by Nc6. 25.. Nd7 also loses to Bxd7)
It is not "astonishing" that Topalov did not take the rook on Re7.
Qxe7 is followed by Qxd4+ with quick mate - any serious chess player will spot it in seconds.
The Bishop h3 is not lame. It is critical - preventing King escape via c8 and eyeing the h3-c8 diagonal.
Topalov's Kb6 was the only move after Re7+.
|May-14-17|| ||ggwin5: Sorry. 26... Nd7 (after 25...Kb8 26. Qxd4)|
|Sep-24-17|| ||Magnus Kasparov: Analyze with a strong engine for a while and you'll see that Topalov was dead lost from the moment he accepted the first rook sacrifice.|
|Oct-08-17|| ||GT3RS: 24.Rxd4 is a mistake. Carlsen or Fischer would've punished him for that.|
Kasparov made at least 2 more mistakes that gives black equality. Too bad Topolav couldn't exploit it.
Overall though it's one of the most aesthetically pleasing games I have ever seen.
|Oct-08-17|| ||plang: ...now go over some of Tal's best games with a computer|
|Oct-08-17|| ||saffuna: <Kasparov made at least 2 more mistakes that gives black equality. Too bad Topolav couldn't exploit it.>|
I don't think so. At least I haven't seen them.
|Oct-08-17|| ||saffuna: <GT3RS> How about this?|
I'll play Kasparov after 24. Rxd4 and you play Topalov. We both have access to the mountain of analysis which has been written. Use Stockfish or any program to any depth.
I think if Topalov takes the rook he's lost. If he doesn't he's lost a pawn.
I have read that 24...Kb6 would have drawn, but I have not seen any wins for Topalov.
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