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|Mar-17-11|| ||Jimfromprovidence: I thought that maybe 16...Qxg2+?! might help black some.
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But after 17 Kxg2 cxd6 18 Nf7+ white still has his piece for a pawn and will win more material.
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The knight is untouchable because of the still-intact back rank mate threat, so after 18 ...Kg8 19 Nxd6+, white is comfortably ahead.
|Mar-17-11|| ||bachbeet: I got the Nxe5 move and like most here missed the Queen sac. I must get over my reluctance to sacrifice the queen. Of course, if it leads to a win or a taking of the opponent's queen, it's really effective. I also agree that this is a beautiful game by Alekhine.|
|Mar-17-11|| ||Once: Here's a story about 1950s England.
Every week, the country vicar would visit the bishop. They would drink Earl Grey tea and eat delicate cucumber sandwiches in neat little triangles with the crusts cut off.
One day, the vicar was late for his appointment. He eventually arrived, very red of face.
"My dear boy, whatever is the matter?" asked the bishop.
"My bicycle has been stolen!" exclaimed the vicar with great indignation. "I am sure that one of my parishoners has taken it, but I have no idea which one."
"Then you need to use an old trick that I used to use when I was a vicar," said the bishop. "This Sunday you should preach a sermon about the ten commandments. And when you get to "thou shalt not steal", you should pause a while and look in the face of each of your flock. The one who cannot meet your eye is the one who has stolen your bicycle."
"I will," said the vicar.
The week passed in a sepia-tinged haze, and the time came around for the vicar to see the bishop again. And this he was riding his bicycle again.
"I see that my plan worked," said the bishop with more than a hint of smug old-fox-can-still-teach-a-young-dog-new tricks tone in his voice.
"Not quite," replied the vicar. "I did as you asked. I told a sermon about the ten commandments."
"When I got to 'thou shalt not commit adultery', I remembered where I had left my bike."
All of which is a long-winded way of saying that I can't remember seeing this game before, but the solution popped into my head so quickly that I probably must have.
|Mar-17-11|| ||izimbra: <Once> Your story fails as an analogy for reasons you already know. But ignoring that, let's work with this frame. We can imagine two alternative versions: one where the vicar actually loses his bicycle and one where he keeps it after discovering that the entire point of his interaction with the bishop was for the purpose of the bishop to steal the bicycle. Which outcome do you suppose the vicar would actually prefer, and what does either have to do with his real or hypothesized adultery?|
|Mar-17-11|| ||sevenseaman: Too good <Once>. It amused me so much that I cannot go to sleep now. The convulsions wont let me a wink.|
Unadulterated mirth, could one say!
|Mar-17-11|| ||Penguincw: I got the puzzle right,but didn't know the follow up.|
|Mar-17-11|| ||HeMateMe: Vicars need love, too.|
|Mar-17-11|| ||morfishine: <gofer> Good, actually great work on 14.Rxe5. I spent quite a lot of time on that move before finding 14.Nxe5 and 16.Qxd6. Its good to know, from what I can tell, that 14.Rxe5 also wins, primarily due to blacks poor development.|
|Mar-17-11|| ||scormus: <Once .... the bicycle> Brilliant :)|
|Mar-17-11|| ||KingV93: I also saw Nxe5 and Bc4+ but not the Queen capture...feeling a bit skeptical about awarding the point today. I should probably cut myself a break and award the point and a pint of Guiness as well!|
On second thought the heck with the point I'll take the Guiness!
|Mar-17-11|| ||gazzawhite: First time I've ever gotten the first 4 puzzles in a week. Took me a few minutes before I realised that after 14. Nxe5, 14... Qxg5 is forced.|
|Mar-17-11|| ||castle dweller: regarding <izimbra/once> . . . . |
To spell it out,
the bike is analagous to a game of chess in this story.
the lost bike represents a game that is lost/forgotten and cannot quite be remembered of its own accord.
the bishop is like friend whose advice is analagous to a tool which can be used as a "remembering device" to recall the bike/game.
This particular remembering device, however, has the unintended consequence of recalling an association/indiscretion that, how shall I say, may best be forgotten.
Having established that . . . then one might assume that the Vicar (us) would prefer to lose the bike rather than being forced to recall his prior indiscretions by employing the Bishop's advice/tool.
I am not sure, however, that I follow how part of the Vicar's alternative requires the Bishop stealing the bike for him? Other than to imply that the Vicar remembered the game all along - and that his "confession" to the bishop was for purposes of absolution and being forgiven - knowing/remembering full well his past indiscretions of adultery.
|Mar-17-11|| ||kb2ct: |
Always look for a queen sac in a CG puzzle.
|Mar-17-11|| ||izimbra: <castle dweller> The way I heard it is that <the vicar> and his wife were planning to divorce, he was lonely, and he got lured into some sexy flirting by organized con artists. |
Calling any of that adultery, or claiming it was a case of just rewards is an absurd stretch. My point above is was that (as I imagine it) <the vicar> had real affection/love for some of the players, the emotional toll on him when he realized it was all fake might well have been greater than the amount of money he might have lost if the con was more successful (considered in the abstract by itself, but given the same general circumstances).
|Mar-17-11|| ||castle dweller: <izimbra>
- didn't know you were alluding to another tale!
|Mar-17-11|| ||WhiteRook48: i went for 14 Nxe5 but with the wrong idea|
|Mar-17-11|| ||stst: Two main lines after 14. Nxe5:
(I) 14... QxB, 15. Bc4+ Kh8 16.QxB PxQ 17.Nf7+ Kg8 18.NxQ Kh8 19.Nf7+ etc and Bk, losing the Q and being harassed by W's N, can resign now; OR
(II) 14... Qxd1 15.Bc4+ (yes, same trick first) Kh8 16. aRxQ (must get rid of Q before going down Nf7+, as R at f8 can take it, f8 guarded by B at d6,) BxN 17. RxR h6 (leaving K some air) 18.Be7 (smothering the f8R) Re8
19.Bf7 and Bk will lose the exchange, by brute: RxB 20.RxR then Kh7 (B is trapped) 21. Rd8 locking B and R at a8, and Bk can resign in view of W's overwhelming position and material.
Alekhine should be about #2 or 3 on my list!
|Mar-17-11|| ||SufferingBruin: Yeah, Alekhine could play a little bit.|
|Mar-18-11|| ||Once: Or maybe the bicycle was a metaphor for the vicar's faith? At the start of the story, the vicar has assumed that his bicycle has been stolen. Without any evidence or proof, his first reaction was to take the cynical view and to doubt his parishioner's honesty. And that is a pretty mean-spirited thing to do for a man of the cloth.|
The reality is that no-one has stolen his bike. He misplaced it through his own forgetfulness. So when he recovers the bike, it reminds him that he should really have more faith in his fellow man. Instead of thinking the worst of others, he should first look to his own weaknesses.
For that matter, we have no proof that the vicar was guilty of adultery. He may have been advising a married couple in his parish who were having marital problems.
So perhaps we are at fault when we jump to the conclusions that the adultery in the story must be the vicar's? Metaphorically, have we all lost our bicycles?
Or maybe it's just a joke, which was already decades old when it was first told to me some thirty years ago?
|Mar-18-11|| ||Orhtej: Nice game for alekhine..:p|
|Mar-18-11|| ||castle dweller: just to clarify . . .
- the reason I mentioned adultery is because, given what <once> had mentioned in his story, that analogy is reasonable to ASSUME - although of course it is not by any means proven.
When the vicar mentions adultery in his sermon, it triggers his recollection of where he left his bike - so its not unreasonable to assume that PERHAPS it was his own indiscretions that triggered that recollection. The story, as related here, does not allow us to really make much more inferences than that.
As far as the real story goes, I have never heard it before, and have no clue about anything it intends to relate. I took all my cues from the story that <once> wrote here! Obviously, if there is any more to the story than what was retold here, that could change everything!
I agree that the bike could be a metaphor for the vicar's faith, or lack thereof - if the bike is seen thru the lens of forgetfulness - because at the end of <once's> tale, he compares the lost bike to a forgotten game. So yes, surely it is possible that the Vicar has misplaced his goodwill toward others - although then perhaps another of the ten commandments would have been a more appropriate trigger to his recollection.
I was curious, though, as to why the week passed in a "sepia-tinged" haze - is that the colour of a mind searching for a foggy recollection??
|Mar-18-11|| ||Once: <castle dweller> To explain...|
It's not a true story. It's a very very old joke. The mechanism for the humour is that an unexpected revelation <that the vicar is being adulterous> is revealed through indirect means - <him forgetting where he left his bike>.
The sepia tinge is because the story/joke is set in the 1950s, when everything was black and white.
And the link to the game is about forgetfulness. I really cannot remember seeing this game before, but I got to the solution almost instantly. And I'm normally not a good enough analyst to solve Thursday level problems as quickly as that.
Apparently Paul McCartney had a similiar experience with the song "Yesterday". He says that he heard the song in a dream. What is more, he dreamt it so clearly that he was able to play it note for note when he woke up. And this worried him - had he remembered it clearly because it was a song he had already heard and just remembered, or had he really just made it up in a dream? Forgetfulness or inspiration?
So he played the song for the other Beatles to see if they recognised it.
Who knows? Whilst he was doing this, maybe Ringo said something like: "Hey, this reminds me of a joke about a vicar who thought his bike had been nicked...."
|Mar-18-11|| ||castle dweller: <once>
I'm not sure this is entirely worth the effort here, but for the sake of clarity, and possibly some closure as well,
Let me explain . . .
I think the misunderstanding stems from <izimbra's> comments - since he references elements of the real/original story that you didn't include when you told it. For instance, he said:
<The way I heard it is that the vicar and his wife were planning to divorce, he was lonely, and he got lured into some sexy flirting by organized con artists.>
and then he said, to me, . . .
<calling any of that adultery . . . is an absurd stretch>
But this seems kinda whacky to me - I am not sure I understand why labeling it adulterous was an "absurd stretch" - it seems perfectly sound, given what you said.
For instance, since it was the association with "adultery" that led to his recollection, we can fairly assume he was adulterous - at least that's how I understand the humour.
In any case, I stand by my assessment and think its fine!!
And thanks about the sepia reply, if we are creating montages for the kids at school, we use sepia as a means of conveying temporal distance as well.
|Mar-18-11|| ||castle dweller: and I can't sign off here tonight without saying one more thing . . . |
It's interesting that you mention Sir Paul and the Fab Four - for surely (among other things) they were masters of the art of association.
The Beatles are among my favorite musicians and I never tire to hear about their history and sources of inspiration, etc. They really were something special, no?
As an amateur musician myself, I find that I have similar experiences where I wonder exactly how I came up with a certain sound or melody. As an artist, one always looks inward to discover sources of inspiration and I imagine that it happens all the time with artists, regardless of the medium they use. "Yes, I'm certain that it happens all the time . . . . and find that I get by with a little help from my friends . . . (we both ended on a Ringo, savvy?)
|Mar-18-11|| ||izimbra: <castle dweller> I had the same interpretation of <once>'s story and you are correct that I was describing a truly different story that I had heard. After that however, you go on to make an argument that selectively combines pieces from the two different stories, perhaps generating more confusion.|
You mention a desire for "closure". The following Wikipedia article is a little abstract, but I recommend a close reading, as it may not only help you with that goal, but also describes important wisdom of general applicability:
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