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| chessamateur: That's funny, I didn't see that. I usually would because that's such an easy tactic. I guess I'm just tired. Anyway, I thought it was 18... Bxf3! 19. gxBf3 19... Qe3+ 20. Kh1 Qxf3+ 21. Kg1 Nh4 22. any move other than Qc2 (22.Qc2 22... Nh3#) 22... Qg2#. But now I see that 18...Bxf3?, only draws after: 18... Bxf3? 19. RxRe1 QxRe1 20. gxBf3 Nh4 (20... Nf4?! 21. Qc2 where to my patzer eyes I think White is slightly better.) 21.Qc2 Nxf3+ 22.Kg2 Nh4+ 23. Kg1 Nf3+ 24. Kg2 Nh4+ with a draw by 3-fold repetition. |
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Apr-16-03
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| Hoozits: Chessamateur, I think I like your Bxf3. Once Rxe3, what does anyone think of Bxg2+? Is not the same result accomplished as that mentioned above by chessamauteur? |
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Apr-16-03
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| Hoozits: Edit to above message: Rxe1, rather. |
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Apr-16-03
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| AgentRgent: <Hoozits> after 18...Bxf3 19. Rxe1 then Bxg2 isn't check as the king in on g1. |
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Apr-16-03
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| Hoozits: I was thinking Qe3+, Kh1, Bxf3, Rxe1, Bxg2+, Kxg2, Nf4+, etc. |
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Apr-16-03
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| Hoozits: ...then Kh1, Qf3+ and mate should follow? No? I had a glass of wine at lunch, so the odds of me being wrong are higher than normal. I'd love to hear the thoughts of others. |
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| Apr-16-03 |
| chessamateur: <Hoozits> I like it Hoozits, a Rook and Bishop sac! It looks
like it works: 18... Qe3+ 19, Kh1 Bxf3! 20. RxRe1 Bxg2+! 21.
KxBg1 Nf4 22. Kh1 Qf3+ 23. Kg1 Nh3#. It's amazing how many squares that Queen covers! However, can White do anything else after 19... Bxf3? I don't
think so. If 20. gxBf3 then 20... Qxf3+ 21. Kg1 Nf4 22. Qc2
Nh3#.
I think there is one more try for White: After 19... Bxf3!, 20.
Qc2. I doubt its enough. Black is still winning. What do you think? |
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Apr-16-03
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| AgentRgent: <I think there is one more try for White: After 19... Bxf3!, 20. Qc2. I doubt its enough. Black is still winning. What do you think?> That line might go 19...Bxf3 2. Qc2 Rxa1 3. Bxa1 Bxg2+ 4. Qxg2 Qxd3 5. Ng3 Qxb5 and Black is Much better, but the text is preferable as it wins a piece outright (The Bishop escapes due to the threat Qxf1# forcing Kg1). |
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Apr-16-03
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| Hoozits: Wow! You two both challenge my thinking. I completely missed Qc2. I need to look at this more when I get home, but before I do that, I'd like to leave with one more thought: 19...Bxf3, 20. Qc2 Nf4 (threatening Bxg2)...What are White's possibilities now? 21. gxf3 Qxf3+, 22. Kg1 Nh3++ Your thoughts? |
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| Apr-16-03 |
| Andrew Chapman: Hoozits says: I'd like to leave with one more thought: 19...Bxf3, 20. Qc2 Nf4 (threatening Bxg2)...What are White's possibilities now? 21. gxf3 Qxf3+, 22. Kg1 Nh3++ I think 21. Rxe1 wins for White. If 21. ... Bxg2+ then 22.Qxg2. If 21. ... Qxe1 then 22. gxf3. |
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Apr-16-03
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| AgentRgent: 19...Bxf3, 20. Qc2 Nf4 is answered with 21. Rxe1! which takes the sting out of Bxg2+ since white can play Qxg2. i.e. 21. Rxe1 Bxg2+ 22. Qxg2 Qxe1 23. Qf3! |
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Apr-16-03
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| AgentRgent: guess there's an echo.. (next time I'll remember to post, Then answer the phone.. lol) |
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| Apr-16-03 |
| chessamateur: Now that I've played it out on the board, I can't argue that, can you, Hoozits? |
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Apr-17-03
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| Hoozits: Bravo! I suppose the lesson of the day is to play that which clearly wins and is least complicated (unless, of course, you have two days to contemplate your options). Thanks for the discussion. |
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