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Alexander Alekhine vs NN
"Alcoholic, Anonymous" (game of the day Apr-30-2017)
Moscow (1911), Moscow RUE
Italian Game: Classical Variation. Greco Gambit Mason Gambit (C54)  ·  1-0
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Apr-30-17
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  ChessHigherCat: <tamar> Thanks for the link. I was surprised by the fact that such a comprehensive article would omit the Vampire Society's interpretation of these lines “When Alekhine was found dead on Sunday in the Hotel Estoril [sic], he held a piece of beefsteak in his right hand."

Weary of this world, our dear comrade chose to end it all the only way possible, by driving a steak through this heart.

Apr-30-17
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  tamar: That the death scene was staged gives rise to the various conspiracy theories.

The chessboard with the starting position half on the table looked strange to me, as Alekhine was in no need of a chessboard to analyze.

The dishes too look as if they had been cleared of food.

Lupi admitted his stepfather had put the chessboard there, probably to get a photo that the newspapers would use.

Apr-30-17
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  catlover: Russian spies? A "steak through the heart"? The "Bad Vlad appetizer"?

Sounds like we've got the plot for the next James Bond movie.

Apr-30-17  Mrs Merton: Not a particularly pleasant jest based on a disease that kills millions yearly. A disrespectful title to give a game courtesy of one of the greats of chess.
Apr-30-17  Marmot PFL: I thought maybe the French resistance did Alekhine in as a Nazi collaborator. As for his anti-Semitism I read an interview where Reshevsky said of course I knew Alekhine was an anti-semite, I can spot an anti-Semite a mile away.
Apr-30-17
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  ChessHigherCat: The fact remains that this was published in an article under the byline of Alexander Alekhine: "It is becoming more and more apparent that the Jewish purely negative conception of chess ...perverted, for half a century, the logical development of our art of battle...no real chess artist of Jewish origin has existed." (bottom of p. 159 https://books.google.co.cr/books?id...)

He later claimed that this and other antisemitic writings attributed to him were forgeries but it's kind of odd that he waited until after the war to do so. I think the best you can say for him is that he may have been intimidated into writing them and wasn't stupid enough to believe what he was writing, and who knows how few of us would have the moral integrity to face a concentration camp instead of doing the same. In any case, it's collaboration, with or without mitigating circumstances. The basic premise of the article is also the basic nazi principle that Jews are a race, rather than a religion, despite the obvious fact that they are extremely genetically diverse (unless he's assuming that all Jews learn chess from the secret chess appendix to the "Protocols of Zion")

Apr-30-17  waustad: I thrash weaker players too, but rarely with anything like that style.
Apr-30-17  waustad: Then again, that particular NN might have thrashed me.
May-01-17  eykca: eek @ the pun... I suppose the spirit isn't malicious, but whoever submitted this has a future in click-bait headline writing.
May-01-17
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  MissScarlett: <He later claimed that this and other antisemitic writings attributed to him were forgeries...>

What other writings? Or are you simply referring to the <PZ> articles in their entirety?

May-01-17
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  ChessHigherCat: <Miss Scarlet: He later claimed that this and other antisemitic writings attributed to him were forgeries...>

<What other writings? Or are you simply referring to the <PZ> articles in their entirety?>

I meant the whole series of articles published in Nazi Germany in 1941 and referred to as "Jewish and Aryan Chess", but it seems largely irrelevant to me since that single quotation says at all. I've noticed that his apologists do everything but quote the articles, talking about his Jewish friends, yada yada, just as people say "Fischer couldn't possibly have been antisemtic, he was half- (or full-, depending on the source) Jewish himself! Even Hitler had Jewish friends during his student days in Vienna, so what? Secondly his personal convictions have nothing to do with whether he would be willing to write or sign an antisemtic, pro-Aryan article under pressure. I know where this is leading because I saw your contribution to the effect that only a complete idiot could accuse Wagner of antisemitism, but, if you'll excuse me, I think the exact opposite is true. You have to be a total ignoramus not to recognize Alberich, the deformed, greedy, deceitful, scheming dwarf, as an obvious Jewish stereotype invented by the deformed,greedy, deceitful, scheming dwarf Wagner! His opposite, of course, is the arrogant bastard Siegfried who quite accurately reflects the Aryan ideal.

May-01-17
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  ChessHigherCat: I just noticed that my link to Google books doesn't work, so here's the long form: Players and Pawns: How Chess Builds Community and Culture https://books.google.com/books?isbn...
Gary Alan Fine - 2015 - ‎Social Science

(page 159)

May-01-17
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  MissScarlett: <I know where this is leading because I saw your contribution to the effect that only a complete idiot could accuse Wagner of antisemitism, but, if you'll excuse me, I think the exact opposite is true.>

The exact opposite is true - that wasn't my contribution.

May-01-17
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  ChessHigherCat: <blunderclap> I started searching for the contribution but I got bored wading through all the questions about whether she could have a swastika as an avatar or not!
May-01-17
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  MissScarlett: I didn't want a swastika - it's Indian in origin - I wanted a Confederate flag, to express solidarity with a racially persecuted minority.
May-01-17
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  beatgiant: <all>
How about moving to the Alexander Alekhine page for discussion of Alekhine's life and death, or the Kenneth S Rogoff page if looking for a socio-political debate?
May-01-17
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  perfidious: <pgp: This pun is in poor taste.>

No argument here.

<beatgiant: <all>

How about moving to the Alexander Alekhine page for discussion of Alekhine's life and death, or the Kenneth S Rogoff page if looking for a socio-political debate?>

Or with this proposition.

May-06-17
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  thegoodanarchist: <ChessHigherCat: The fact remains that this was published in an article under the byline of Alexander Alekhine: "It is becoming more and more apparent that the Jewish purely negative conception of chess ...perverted, for half a century, the logical development of our art of battle...no real chess artist of Jewish origin has existed." (bottom of p. 159 https://books.google.co.cr/books?id...)

He later claimed that this and other antisemitic writings attributed to him were forgeries but it's kind of odd that he waited until after the war to do so.>

Kind of odd that he waited until after the war to do so?

Are you mad? It makes perfect sense!

He lived in occupied territory. If he did write anti-Semitic propaganda to survive, it makes perfect sense to wait until the Nazis were defeated before renouncing the writings!

Tens of millions died in WWII. People were slaughtered like flies. You did what you had to do to get out alive.

May-06-17
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  ChessHigherCat: <thegoodanarchist: <ChessHigherCat: The fact remains that this was published in an article under the byline of Alexander Alekhine: "It is becoming more and more apparent that the Jewish purely negative conception of chess ...perverted, for half a century, the logical development of our art of battle...no real chess artist of Jewish origin has existed." (bottom of p. 159 https://books.google.co.cr/books?id...)

He later claimed that this and other antisemitic writings attributed to him were forgeries but it's kind of odd that he waited until after the war to do so.>

Kind of odd that he waited until after the war to do so?

Are you mad? It makes perfect sense! >

No @#$%, Sherlock! You have this extremely insulting way of always assuming I have an IQ of 10. What I meant by "Kind of odd that he waited until after the war to do so" was a sardonic accusation that he was a collaborator and that he only claimed they were forgeries once the coast was clear and it was convenient to do so. If they had really been forgeries there would have been no risk in revealing them as such, even in the Nazi era, unless he had agreed to sign or write them as a form of collaboration. I know what WWII was, too, thank you very much for the explanation. If you take the trouble to read what I wrote, you'll find that I said: "I think the best you can say for him is that he may have been intimidated into writing them and wasn't stupid enough to believe what he was writing, and ***who knows how few of us would have the moral integrity to face a concentration camp instead of doing the same****". And, since this kind of explanation has apparently become necessary, when I say "who knows" I am not asking about the identity of a person who knows, it's an expression meaning "nobody knows". In any case, assuming that he was intimidated into writing/signing those articles is the generous interpretation, it's also entirely possible that he did it out of self interest in pursuit of material advantages or because he seriously believed in the Nazi ideology. After all, there were millions of people who sincerely believed that nonsense, just as there were millions who found Hitler to be a great orator, but I find him absolutely ridiculous. He could also have pretended to believe that crap for the same base motives, which is even worse.

May-07-17
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  thegoodanarchist: <You have this extremely insulting way of always assuming I have an IQ of 10.>

<Chesterfield Cat>: "mad" means crazy, not stupid. Anyway, I meant no offense, sorry.

May-07-17
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  ChessHigherCat: <Chesterfield Cat: "mad" means crazy, not stupid. Anyway, I meant no offense, sorry.>

There you go again, I happen to know what "mad" means, too :-) I was referring to your extremely ungenerous interpretation of "Kind of odd that he waited until after the war" as though, instead of making an ironic accusation, I was really stupid enough to wonder why he waited until the end of the war to claim the articles were forgeries (duhhh...). Anyway, no problem, all I ask is that you please read my comment carefully before launching a baseless vitriolic attack, because most readers in this SMS generation have a 2-second attention span and never read anything beyond a couple lines so their "take-home" message is the criticism at the end of the thread, whether baseless or not.

May-07-17
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  offramp: Alekhine should have used his position as World Champion to bring about an early end to the war.
May-07-17
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  thegoodanarchist: <offramp: Alekhine should have used his position as World Champion to bring about an early end to the war.>

I blame the Belgians.

Jun-29-17  ColeTrane: One of my favorite puns....
Jun-29-17  tonsillolith: Too bad liberals are so easily offended.
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