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| Feb-01-04 | | TrueFiendish: Contradictional tendentions? |
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| Feb-01-04 | | Benjamin Lau: I agree to an extent, but I think Chernev isn't so much guilty of hero worship as he is of oversimplification (but this isn't really his fault). Most of his books are written for beginners, so it would make sense that he writes things in as straightforward a manner as possible, and not complicate matters by showing the other side of the coin. Being objective and showing both sides confuses beginners and looks "wishy washy." If Reinfeld for instance wants to target the beginners' market, he isn't going to score many points by saying "Move only your center pawns in the opening, except in the the Keres Attack, the Shirov-Shabalov Gambit, the Sicilian Wing Gambit, the Nimzo-Larsen Attack, the Polish opening, the Queen's Indian, the Hippopotamus Defense, the Grob, etc" (and many of these openings are actually at least semi-respectable) etc and thus confusing new players. |
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| Feb-01-04 | | catfriend: One side of his nature pushed him to artistry and creative beauty, while the other forced him to seek the victory and the most effective move each time. |
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| May-17-04 | | MoonlitKnight: I love move 30 through 32 here. "Take my rooks, take my queen, take 'em all, you can have them for free!" :) |
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| Jul-08-04 | | ruylopez900: Hehe, Alekhine would have probably thrown in the Kitchen sink was well if he could have, total disregard for material.... I wish I could play a game like this... LOL |
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| Jul-08-04 | | square dance: is move 47...Qe2 the best move, or is it the prettiest move? doesnt 47...Qxf4 basically win right away as well? |
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Jul-08-04
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| Jul-13-04 | | ruylopez900: <Calli> Could be. I also have heard that one of Alekhine's masterpieces was in fact just a manufactured game, I don't think it was this one, but I'm not sure. |
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| Jul-13-04 | | fred lennox: I heard this was modified, that is manufactured somewhat. Alekhine, is a sneaky annotator. One player complained that Alekhine made a draw between them into a win. Also, he made these long elaborate play seem like they were very clear to him from the start which is seriously questionable. In defense to Alekhine, he had to find a sponsor to support him to play against Capablanca so he had to make a strong impression. |
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| Aug-14-04 | | arifattar: I can only say "What a beautiful piece of art!. I have never understood paintings, but I guess art lovers, when they see a beautiful painting, would have the same feelings I have had after playing throught this game.
I played through this game when I first came to this site 6 months back.
But this time around, it has been a completely overwhelming feeling. |
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| Aug-19-04 | | offramp: I have always thought this game to be very overrated. Why did Bogo play so badly? |
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| Jan-02-05 | | LIFE Master AJ: The greatest writer who ever lived, (Irving Chernev); called this the greatest chess game ever played. I rank it in the "Top Ten" of the best games of chess. (You are invited to go over my analysis and judge for yourself.) http://www.geocities.com/lifemaster...) Comments? |
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| Jan-02-05 | | offramp: After black misses the quick win with
30...Qxa8 31.Qb3 Qa1 32.Nf1 Ra8 33.Nb2 Ra3 34.Qd1 Ng4 I get a bit bored with this game. It is quite good up to then, if a bit artificial. |
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| Jan-03-05 | | LIFE Master AJ: <offramp>
I think you miss the point.
Many players (strong GM's) have said that they could find Alekhine's winning combinations. A big part of Alekhine's genius lay in his ability to out-maneuver his opponents, forcing them to into bad positions. Once his advantage had reached "critical mass," then it was time to begin to look for the win via tactical means. If you do not really grasp Alekhine, its OK ... neither did Bobby Fischer! (See his list of the ten greatest players of all time ... it was reprinted recently in 'Chess Life' magazine.) |
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| Jan-03-05 | | offramp: < LIFE Master AJ: <offramp> A big part of Alekhine's genius lay in his ability to out-maneuver his opponents, forcing them to into bad positions. Once his advantage had reached "critical mass," then it was time to begin to look for the win via tactical means.> Riiight. So is the concept of 'obtain a very good position and then look for a winning tactic' exclusive to Alekhine? |
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| Jan-03-05 | | lopium: What a funny end! Woah. Nice game. |
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| Jan-03-05 | | drukenknight: after seeing games like this you have to wonder how did ALek. ever lose 25 games to Bogo? |
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| Jan-03-05 | | Jafar219: Alekhine lost to Bogoljubov 15 games not 25. |
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| Jan-06-05 | | LIFE Master AJ: <offcamp>
Who whizzed in your Cheerios today? |
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| Jan-06-05 | | maoam: <LIFE Master AJ>
You mean it's not the same person that whizzed in them yesterday!? |
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| Jan-06-05 | | euripides: The way that White's knights get in a muddle reminds me rather strongly of Karpov-Kasparov 1985 game 16. One of the nice things about Kasparov is that I suspect he would have sensed and enjoyed the historical parallel when he played that great game against Karpov. That's what you might lose with Fischer Random - the ways that great games of chess refer to each other. Mind you, Bogoljoubow's rook fianchetto ranks with Petrosian's queen's self-immolation against Gligoric in the Roll-Call of Silly Moves. |
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| Jan-07-05 | | offramp: <LIFE Master AJ: <offcamp>
Who whizzed in your Cheerios today?>
[Diagram?] |
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| Jan-07-05 | | LIFE Master AJ: <euripides>
"Mind you, Bogoljoubow's rook fianchetto ranks with Petrosian's queen's self-immolation against Gligoric in the Roll-Call of Silly Moves." No doubt! ---> 100% agreement.
(And funny comment,maoam!)
But you have to ask yourself ... Bogo was one of the greatest attacking players of that period, (and also a regular Alekhine customer). How did Alekhine do it? (He made a lot of very good players ... Nimzo, Bogo, Reti; look dumb ... on a regular basis. What was his secret?) |
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| Jan-29-05 | | aw1988: <LIFE Master AJ> According to Garry Kasparov he was the first to really realize the three elements of chess - 1) material 2) time 3) quality of position. I must say I agree. |
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| Jan-29-05 | | drukenknight: that cant be true, didnt Lasker say the same thing at the turn of the century? There is a parallel between Einstein's relating mass to energy and what happens on the chess board. Did Lasker and Einstein ever talk about that or maybe I am imagining that? |
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