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Efim Bogoljubov vs Alexander Alekhine
"The Triple Queen Sacrifice" (game of the day Sep-26-2017)
Hastings (1922), Hastings ENG, rd 10, Sep-21
Dutch Defense: Nimzo-Dutch Variation (A90)  ·  0-1
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Nov-23-16  Saniyat24: I had this game written in a piece of paper along with Rotlewi Vs Rubinstein, 1907, Mieses Vs Janowski, 1900 and Pilsbury Vs Burn, 1895...as the paper was in bad shape, so I decided to look it up. An incredibly complex game...I never seen 3 Knights in d1 d2 and d3 (after Black's 28th move)...wow...!!
Nov-23-16
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  SpaceRunner: " aliejin: "I'm confused. Why did Alekhine make it more complicated than necessary? " Maybe not complicated for Alekhine...

Like every great chess player Alekhine
had his style .."

Exactly - easier to play the winning pawn endgame. No risk of a combination ;-) Simplify the position!

Nov-29-16  Dave12: at move 28, black only had to calculate if Nd3 29.Rxa5 b4!! 30.Rxa8 bxc3 is winning. at this point it is very easy to see that if white plays Rxf8+ he cannot avoid the pawn from queening, and the only question left is are his 2 rooks can compete with the queen. and i think white's cramped position gives a clear answer. so for my opinion it ain't Alekhin's best combination, only a bad game from Boguljubov. Alekhin also wanted to rise the excitement and therefor played 47..Qe2 instead of Qxf4 which is clearly winning.
Dec-19-16  MariusDaniel: Interesting chess game with all those queen sacrifices!
Apr-06-17  Wulebgr: Max Euwe, From Steinitz to Fischer credits Tarrasch with some of the annotations that he reproduces. Where did Tarrasch offer his views on this game?
Apr-06-17  Wulebgr: Some of the most illuminating quotes in Kasparov's analysis of this game in My Great Predecessors are attributed to Alexander Kotov. Where did Kotov analyze this game?
Apr-07-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <Wulebgr>, Kotov wrote his biography of Alekhine long ago--do not recall when the original was published--but Batsford released the English-language version in the mid 1970s.
Apr-07-17  Wulebgr: Thanks, perfidious. I'll look for that.
Jul-06-17  The Kings Domain: Some kind of a game. Memorable and unique.
Sep-26-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessgames.com: We've conducted a very thorough computer analysis of this classic here: Bogoljubov vs Alekhine, 1922 [analysis] enjoy!
Sep-26-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp:


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This is where Alekhine played 29...b4.

Stockfish says that much stronger is <29...Qh5 30.Nf2 Qe2 31.Nf1 Qe1 32.Rxa8 Rxa8 33.Qxe1 Nxe1>.


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Which SF says is -6.35.

There is something very strange about this game. I suppose the best word is <ersatz>. Would any moden master play like Bogo did? Who would think of Bh1 followed by Rg2?

I can imagine some British pressman asking Bogo what his game plan would be for today's game against Alekhine:

<"I am simply going to lie down and die.">

Sep-26-17
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  ajk68: I would to see an endgame with a fourth queen sac in it. It could probably be crafted, but would also be completely unnecessary.
Sep-26-17
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  offramp: <chessgames.com: We've conducted a very thorough computer analysis of this classic here: Bogoljubov vs Alekhine, 1922 [analysis] enjoy!>

What I find odd is that Stockfish is completely silent about moves 30-54. Did both players choose the absolute best move from move 30 to the end?

Sep-26-17  killershank: this is a very complicated game although they have some few miscalculations it is ended by a win for black nice miidlegame plan there open the queen side by locking the centre so that white shoudnt have any counter attacks
Sep-26-17
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  piltdown man: Man, what a game!
Sep-26-17  slideon: Amazing game!
Sep-26-17
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  kevin86: One of the greatest games ever!
Sep-26-17
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  offramp: <kevin86: One of the greatest games ever!>

It's weird. A lot of people think that.

Sep-26-17  Howard: Wasn't aware that Alekhine missed a better 29th move--thanks! But, then it seems peculiar that the "computerized" analysis that www.chessgames.com posted doesn't point out that on the 30th move, Alekhine also missed a better move. Kasparov's book--among others--points that out.
Sep-26-17
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  tamar: thanks chessgames. White was chased from pillar to post

Bogoljubov vs Alekhine, 1922 [analysis]

Sep-26-17  Howard: Somehow, I think this classic could stand much more detailed computer analysis. It probably wasn't played as "perfectly" as chessgames.com seems to imply.
Sep-26-17
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  offramp: <Howard: Somehow, I think this classic could stand much more detailed computer analysis. It probably wasn't played as "perfectly" as chessgames.com seems to imply.>

Nah. I reckon these two players had analysed this game very fully the night before.

Sep-26-17
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  chessgames.com: <What I find odd is that Stockfish is completely silent about moves 30-54. Did both players choose the absolute best move from move 30 to the end?> Not necessarily the positively best move, but not so different in evaluation to warrant a comment.

Understand that our "full game analysis" has four modes:

Blunders only
Broad evaluation
Intensive evaluation
Annotate every move

As of right now, the default for analyzed games in the database is "Intensive", which means that when the eval is near 0.00 it takes a 0.50 difference to warrant a comment. As the eval strays from 0.00, the threshold increases. For instance, if somebody is winning by +7.50 and they missed an opportunity to turn it into +8.75, or dropped a pawn to achieve +6.45, we're not going to slap them down with a question mark.

In the case of move 29...b4, Stockfish does indeed say in the notes above <29...b4-+ -6.35 (40 ply) after 29...Qh5 30.Nf2 Qe2 31.Nf1 Qe1 32.Rxa8 Rxa8 33.Qxe1 Nxe1> agreeing that 29...Qh5 is stronger. (When it uses the word "after" like that, it is saying, "This is the evaluation of the position after 29...Qh5, even though ...Qh5 was not played.")

But is it really "much stronger?" If it was, our software should award a question-mark. The test is to analyze the position after 29...b4: if the evaluation suddenly dropped to -2.85 or something, then yes, Alekhine was being too fancy for his own good. But if it remains in the neighborhood of -6.35 then no big mistake was committed.

So we look at analysis of move 30.? (This is very easy; just click on ...b4 and then use Olga's "ENGINE" link. You will NOT have to wait for the evaluation to complete; since we analyzed this game in advance our results are in the database for instant gratification.)

It shows that with what SF regards as best play the game would continue <1) -7.13 (40 ply) 30.Rxa8 Qxa8 31.Qc2 Ne1 32.Qb2 Nxg2 33.Bxg2 Qa3 34.Bf1 Ra8 35.c5 Qxb2> which would imply ...b4 is even better for Black than the recommended 29...Qh5.

I believe this is an example of a horizon-effect in which a position seems to be much better/worse the longer it is analyzed. Moreover, the point is that from move 29 onward Alekhine had the game well in hand at this stage and therefore there is no reason to criticize his play. (If, however, he missed a checkmate, it would be noted.)

I don't own Kasparov's entire OMGP collection, so I am curious what specifically he had to say about 29...b4 vis-a-vis 29...Qh5. From our analysis it's unclear if 29...Qh5 is better at all, much less "much better."

Sep-26-17
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  tamar: Stockfish 030916 64


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Analysis by Stockfish 030916 64:

1. -+ (-8.96): 29...Qh5 30.g4 fxg4 31.Nf1 g3 32.Qa3 Rab8 33.Nc3 Nf2 34.Rxg3 Nxh1 35.Rg2 Qxh4 36.Qe7 Rg8 37.f5 Bxf5 38.Rxb5 Rxb5 39.cxb5 Qe1 40.Qb4 Bh3 41.Nd5 Qd1 42.Qd2 Qxd2 43.Nxd2 Bxg2 44.Kxg2 Nxd5 45.Kxh1 Re8 46.Nc4 Rb8 47.Nd2 Nxe3 48.Nxe4 Nf5 49.Nc3 Nxd4 50.Kg2 Nxb5 51.Ne4 Re8 52.Nc5 Kh7 53.Kg3 Kg6 54.Kf4 Nd6

2. -+ (-8.09): 29...b4 30.Qa1 Rxa5 31.Qxa5 Qa8 32.Nb3 Qxa5 33.Nxa5 Ba4 34.Rd2 Ra8 35.Rxd3 Rxa5 36.Rd2 Bb3 37.Nf2 Ra1+ 38.Kh2 Bxc4 39.Rc2 Bd5 40.Rxc7 b3 41.Rc8+ Kh7 42.Rb8 Ra2 43.Kg1 b2 44.Bg2 Ra1+ 45.Kh2 b1Q 46.Rxb1 Rxb1 47.Bh3 Rb2 48.Kg1 Kg6 49.g4 Re2 50.h5+ Kf7 51.g5 Nxh5 52.gxh6 gxh6 53.Bxf5 Re1+ 54.Kg2 Rxe3 55.Ng4 Nxf4+ 56.Kg1 Rg3+ 57.Kf2 Rf3+ 58.Ke1 Ng2+ 59.Kd2 Rd3+ 60.Kc2 Ne1+ 61.Kc1 Rxd4 62.Nxh6+ Kf6 26.09.2017)

It looks like 29...Qh5 is slightly more efficient than 29...b4, but not much.

Kasparov does not say anything about 29...Qh5 in my edition of OMGP.

Sep-26-17
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  tamar: I omitted that was at 42 depth. I let it run even further to 43 depth and the scores converged a bit.

Stockfish 030916 64


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Analysis by Komodo 10 64-bit:

1. -+ (-8.96): 29...Qh5 30.g4 fxg4 31.Nf1 g3 32.Qa3 Rab8 33.Nc3 Nf2 34.Rxg3 Nxh1 35.Rg2 Qxh4 36.Qe7 Rg8 37.f5 Bxf5 38.Rxb5 Rxb5 39.cxb5 Qe1 40.Qb4 Bh3 41.Nd5 Qd1 42.Qd2 Qxd2 43.Nxd2 Bxg2 44.Kxg2 Nxd5 45.Kxh1 Re8 46.Nc4 Rb8 47.Nd2 Nxe3 48.Nxe4 Nf5 49.Nc3 Nxd4 50.Kg2 Nxb5 51.Ne4 Re8 52.Nc5 Kh7 53.Kg3 Kg6 54.Kf4 Nd6

2. -+ (-8.50): 29...b4 30.Rxa8 Qxa8 31.Qc2 Ne1 32.Qb2 Nxg2 33.Bxg2 Qa3 34.Bf1 Ra8 35.c5 Ng4 36.d5 Qa1 37.Be2 Qxb2 38.Nxb2 Ra1+ 39.Kg2 Nxe3+ 40.Kf2 Nxd5 41.Bc4 e3+ 42.Ke2 exd2 43.Bxd5 Rb1 44.c6 Be8 45.Kxd2 Rxb2+ 46.Kd3 Rb1 47.Be6 Bxc6 48.Bxf5 Rb3+ 49.Kc4 Rxg3 50.Kxb4 Rf3 51.Kc5 Rxf4 52.Be6 Bf3 53.Bb3 Rxh4 54.Bc4 Re4 55.Ba2

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