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Apr-01-03
 | | Calli: Oops, I meant Ke2 is the correct move. Typo! |
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Apr-01-03
 | | crafty: 38.  e2  xb2+ 39. f3 c3+ 40. g4 h8 41.  xg8+  (eval 2.14; depth 13 ply; 500M nodes) |
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Apr-02-03
| | Calli: Yes, the king escapes to g4. I still like 36. Rexg6 because after 36.Rexg6 Qxc5+ 37. Kf1 Qc1+ 38. Kf2 Q check 39. Kg1, there is no perpetual along d1-h5. |
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Jul-02-04
 | | acirce: <I still like 36. Rexg6> The win is not that clear after 36..Rxg6 37.Qxg6+ Kh8 38.Rh4 Rf6. On 36.Rgxg6 Rxg6 instead, White wins simply by 37.Qxg6+ Kh8 38.Qh5 Kh7 39.Rxh6! So the move as played was probably best but that would also have required Capablanca seeing the winning 38.Ke2 of course... |
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Jul-02-04
| | Calli: "The win is not that clear after 36..Rxg6 37.Qxg6+ Kh8 38.Rh4 Rf6." Capablanca two pawns up is clear! Are you related to Drukenknight? :-) |
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Jul-02-04
| | acirce: One of those pawns is doubled, or do you say 'two are'?! The other is blocked, White's rook is a little misplaced, his king is quite bare with the queens on etc. White is better, naturally, but it would not have been the most effective way. |
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Jul-02-04
| | Calli: In this position, the doubled pawns can advance, so its a non-factor. And it is Black's King that is subject to attack. To take your line:
36.Rexg6 Rxg6 37.Qxg6+ Kh8 38.Rh4 Rf6 and then 39.Qg5 Kh7 40.Rh5 Rg6 41.Qh4 Re6 42.Qg4 etc White gradually increases his advantage and eventually either the pieces are exchanged into a winning ending or the attack will succeed. |
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Jul-02-04
| | acirce: Yes, it is probably winning, but instead of having to slowly work your queen and rook out of those awkward positions on the g- and h-files in that way, and THEN start the real winning process, which also takes time, clearer is the forcing line as in the game and then 38.Ke2! Qxb2+ 39.Kf3 Qc3+ 40.Kg4 Kh8 41.Kh4 Rxg6 42.Rxg6 Qc5 43.Rxh6+ Kg8 44.Qg6+ Kf8 45.Rh8+ because this is already a lethal attack. |
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Jul-02-04
| | Calli: Lethal? Where is the mate? In real life, after 36.Rexg6 Alekhine resigns because he is two pawns down with no counterplay against Capablanca. |
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Jul-02-04
| | acirce: <Lethal? Where is the mate?> Mate or very large material advantage occurs after 45..Ke7 46.Rb8, with many lines depending on how Black prefers to lose. <after 36.Rexg6 Alekhine resigns because he is two pawns down with no counterplay against Capablanca.> Maybe he would, it's kinda hard to tell. |
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Sep-08-04
 | | offramp: I think Kasparov reckoned that 36.b4 might be the best move.
But Capablanca would never have played that because he didn't notice that the c5p had been attacked. |
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| Sep-13-06 | | capanegra: Round 27, and the score is 4:2 on Alekhine's favor.
"This game was crucial for me" wrote later the afflicted Capablanca. In my opinion, until 38.Kf2?? he played his best game of the match, and it must have been very traumatic to throw such a precious, elaborated an deserved victory. But it is also true that two rounds later Alekhine returned the gesture in a drawn position (Capablanca vs Alekhine, 1927). So, could the course of the match have changed had Capa won this game? It is impossible to say accurately, but probably not. |
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Oct-06-07
 | | notyetagm: <panandh: What is wrong with the idea of hiding behind g2/g3 pawns with 39Kg1 followed with 40Kh2? <Green Bishop: 39.kg1, Qd1+ 40.Kh2,Qh5+ and black wins.>> (VAR) Position after 39 f2-g1 d2-d1+ 40 g1-h2?? d1-h5+ <double attack>:
click for larger viewAnd as Dr. Nunn would say, <LOOSE PIECES DROP OFF>: the <LOOSE> White g6-rook (two attackers, two defenders) <DROPS OFF> to the tactic <DOUBLE ATTACK WITH CHECK>. The Black h5-queen <CHECKS> the White h2-king and simultaneously puts <EN PRISE> the White g6-rook. White must get out of <CHECK>, thus dropping a whole rook. |
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Oct-06-07
| | notyetagm: <Green Bishop: Capa missed a win with 38. Kf2. The correct move was 38. Ke2, avoiding perpetual check.> What a tragedy for Capablanca!
Position after 37 ... c5-c1+
click for larger viewNow 38 f1-e2! wins since White can escape from <PERPETUAL CHECK>. (VAR) Position after winning 38 f1-e2!
click for larger viewBut instead poor Capablanca actually blundered terribly here and played 38 f1-f2??, after which his king cannot escape from the <CHECKS> of the Black queen. Position after drawing 38 f1-f2?? :
click for larger viewChess can be such a cruel game. Here Capablanca -totally- outplays Alekhine but then he makes one mistake (38 f1-f2??) and he is deprived of his much-deserved victory. |
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Oct-06-07
| | notyetagm: <crafty: 38. Ke2 Qxb2+ 39. Kf3 Qc3+ 40. Kg4 Kh8 41. Rxg8+ (eval 2.14; depth 13 ply; 500M nodes)>
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click for larger viewThe win that Capablanca missed, with the White king successfully escaping <PERPETUAL CHECK> by fleeing to g4. |
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Oct-06-07
| | notyetagm: <offramp: I think Kasparov reckoned that 36.b4 might be the best move. But Capablanca would never have played that because he didn't notice that the c5p had been attacked.> Position after 35 ... g7-f8:
click for larger view<offramp> How do you know that Capablanca missed the obvious threat of 36 ... f8xc5 ? And yes, Kasparov's <PROPHYLACTIC> 36 b2-b4!? looks very good here since it prevents the only threat that Black has here in the position, not to the White c5-pawn but rather of breaking into the White position with his queen and going for a <PERPETUAL> against the very exposed White king. (VAR) Position after Kasparov's 36 b2-b4!?:
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Oct-07-07
| | notyetagm: Damn, what a disaster for Capablanca.
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Oct-07-07
 | | euripides: If <38.Ke2 Qxb2+ 39.Kf3> Qb3+ how does the king escape ? e.g. 40.Kg4 Qd1+ and if 41.Kh4 then ...Qh1+ or if 41.Kh3 then...Qh5 mate. |
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Oct-07-07
| | notyetagm: <euripides: If <38.Ke2 Qxb2+ 39.Kf3> Qb3+ how does the king escape ?> I think that then the winning move is 40 f3-f2!:
click for larger viewPutting the White king on the dark square f2 makes it more difficult for the Black queen on the light square b3 to give check. That's a generality. Here the concrete point is that now the Black queen has only three checks, on b2, a2, and b6, but from neither square can she reach the critical d1-square. My idea is that then the White king -can- escape to shelter on the h-file because then Black will not have the ... d1-h5+ maneuver at his disposal. For example, 40 f3-f2! b3-b2+ 41 f2-g1 b2-c1+ 42 g1-h2 
click for larger viewand there are no more checks, or 40 f3-f2! b3-b6+ 41 f2-f1! 
click for larger viewand there are no more checks(!) because the White a4-pawn covers b5 and the White e4-queen covers b1! So I think 39 ... b2-b3+ loses to 40 f3-f2! but you'll have to verify this with a comp. This is solely my analysis so there may be holes in it. Again, the main idea is to seek shelter on h2 when Black is unable to play ... d1-h5+ and I think I have shown how to do that. |
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Oct-10-07
 | | tamar: Interesting discussion, long analysis proves Capa's instincts with 30 Nxd7 were correct, but was he letting Alekhine off the hook by cashing in right away? Investigating on move 30 then, Shredder found the "creeping move" 30 Qd3! paralyses Black 
click for larger viewif 30...Bc8 31 Qd6 walking right into Black's position. 
click for larger view if 31...Re8 32 Nxf7!
and if 31...Qf8 there is the equally startling 32 Ng4 Kg7 33 Nf6! leaving Black movebound. |
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Oct-15-07
| | notyetagm: <tamar: ... Investigating on move 30 then, Shredder found the "creeping move" 30 Qd3! paralyses Black ... if 30...Bc8 31 Qd6 walking right into Black's position... and if 31...Qf8 there is the equally startling 32 Ng4 Kg7 33 Nf6! leaving Black movebound.
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(VAR) Position after 30 c2-d3!  d7-c8 31 d3-d6 g7-f8 32  e5-g4 g8-g7 33 g4-f6!:
click for larger viewAnd the White f6-knight is taboo on account of the <SNAP MATE> 33 ... g7xf6?? 34 d6-e5# 
click for larger view<tamar> Nice find, that 30 c2-d3!, one of those Spassky "creeping queen moves". Now two questions: 1) What is the Shredder eval of Capabanca's 30 e5xd7 ? 2) What is the Shredder eval of the superior 30 c2-d3! ? 3) What is the Shredder eval of the position after 33 g4-f6! ? Thanks
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| Mar-04-08 | | Knight13: 22. Bb!? Oh, that's a tiny little big move. |
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| Mar-31-08 | | crwynn: This must have deeply shaken Capablanca's confidence, I think that this as much as the blown half-point is why Alekhine considered it so crucial. Capablanca had been getting little or nothing with White in game after game, but with his previous White he had really pressed, and now he just plain stomped his opponent - had he pulled out the victory the momentum of the match might have changed a great deal. |
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Apr-14-09
| | notyetagm: 39 ?
click for larger view<panandh: What is wrong with the idea of hiding behind g2/g3 pawns with 39Kg1 followed with 40Kh2? <Green Bishop: 39.kg1, Qd1+ 40.Kh2,Qh5+ and black wins.>> (VAR) 40 g1-h2?? d1-h5+ <double attack: g6,h2>
click for larger viewAnd the 2-2 <LOOSE> White g6-rook goes back into the box. |
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| Sep-03-09 | | WhiteRook48: kf2??? = |
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