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|Oct-19-08|| ||BISHOP TAL: It has now tommy boy im suprised he diddnt just give up the rook and move the king on move 27. I am pretty sure he saw mate comin this way WC player in WC he could of tried for a draw. time trouble, miss mate, or he just give up with out reisignin what ya all think?|
|Oct-19-08|| ||Bobsterman3000: LOL. That's one funny explanation.
<Alekhine usually builds a strong center and also writes disparaging remarks in annotations about moves that allow the opponent to strengthen his center, but here he gives Bogo a very strong center and then pretends he doesnt see it while he assembles a mating attack.>
|Oct-19-08|| ||Gilmoy: <tonsillolith: Alekhine ... gives Bogo a very strong center ...> No no no -- Alekhine lures Bogo into an <overextended> center, and then his Bc5 sneaks in behind it, with a withering grip on g1. It's a standard theme in Benoni -- in other openings, it requires some cooperation from White. Bogo contributed mightily to it with <19.f5 20.d5>, and neither of his Bishops were ever heard from again.|
Funny: <14..h5 15..h4> and the first thought that pops into my head is: `Haha, Nh5 for a Greco sac`. I laughed when I saw <16..Nh5>, and started checking the Greco sac after every move: <-- no? -- no? -- no? -- 26.Kh1 ja? Um ... ja, mon!> I was distracted by the possibility of a <one-rook Damiano> and Qh2# -- kept looking for a tempo for Qd8 or something :) Alas, Black's h-Rook simply mates without the sac. Killjoy.
|Oct-19-08|| ||newzild: A very fine game by Alekhine.
At first I thought he was taking hypermodern strategy a little too far, but 14...h5! was the start of an inspired plan to castle long and attack white's advanced pawns, opening lines against the king.
Alekhine is one of my least-favourite world champions, but some of his games are inspired.
|Oct-19-08|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: After 11 moves, White had maintained the slight initiative granted by having the first move, but Be3 (or Bf4) was better than Bb2, and f3-f4? left his center overexposed. I can understand, however; who besides Alekhine would have realized that he didn't need to castle Kingside?|
|Oct-19-08|| ||levy: I think 13. f4 was the begining of Bogo's problems. It helps black to force d4 with his bishop.|
|Oct-19-08|| ||rithvikm: 13.f4 according to me was the blunder of the match.
White didn't need to play that which opened the powerfull diagonal of black's bishop.
|Oct-19-08|| ||tommy boy: CapablancaFan
It is now, at last :)
|Oct-19-08|| ||Calli: As <Mateo> pointed out, 17. Qg4? is bad. The Q at e2 prevented 0-0-0 because of Bxa6. As Alekhine suggests, 17. Bc1 followed by Be3 and the game is equal even with 13.f4 which everybody is pointing to as the losing move.|
|Oct-19-08|| ||drunkbishop II: hmmm seems like a lot of alekhine nuthuggers here... seems like alekhine can only win when his opps blunder... 26. Kh1??? Bogo should have done 26. Be3 easy win for white.|
|Oct-19-08|| ||beginner64: I think 26. Be3 is much better than Kh1. (If someone has refuted it, please post it.) Not that white gains equality in that case, but Kh1 was sheer disaster, leading all the way up to 30.. Rh2#.|
In case 26. Be3 does not work either, then I think white should just have resigned at that point.
|Oct-19-08|| ||ketchuplover: 26.Be3 Bxe3 27.Rxe3 Nf4 28.g3 hxg3 29.hxg3 Rhg8 30.Nh1 Bg4 31.resigns|
|Oct-19-08|| ||Calli: 26.Be3 Bxe3 27.Rxe3 Nf4 with the threat of Nxg2 is a lost position. For instance, 28.g3 hxg3 29.hxg3 Bh3 30.Rb1 Bg2|
|Oct-19-08|| ||DoubleCheck: <<Calli>: 26.Be3 Bxe3 27.Rxe3 Nf4 with the threat of Nxg2 is a lost position. For instance, 28.g3 hxg3 29.hxg3 Bh3 30.Rb1 Bg2>|
I agree with your choice of 26. Be3 even though that is white's 'good' bishop. His only choice really was to trade the dark square bishops and try to get some counterplay by possibly sarcifiring the a-pawn to double pawn blacks b-file for whites rooks on the vacant a-file.
(white's light square bishop is unless because of the blocking centre pawns and black controlling the other strong diagonal)
|Oct-19-08|| ||Vishy but not Anand: Did anyone wonder why Alekhine picked-up Bogulyubov as his challenger instead of a rematch against a more credible Capablanca who topped every tournaments after his defeat against Alekhine. Also did anyone notice that after Alekhine beats Capablanca in the WCC match he avoids every tournaments that Capablanca is part of it? He avoids Capablanca rematch (up till Capablanca's Death) even the pot money is much higher than Bogulyubov.|
Well, do you know that Bogulyubov is the cousin of Alekhine?
Last but not the least, even an amateur (a very beginner maybe) will not attack and destroy the opponent's side at where his king is castled to
make it easier for his opponent to attack his king. On the other hand Bogulyubov did not even exploit the possibility to attack the opponent's king, he somewhat had an open "B" file at where his opponent's king was located, instead he brought all his pieces to kingside to ensure that his king's movement is clogged. He even puts his knight into "a1" square for what purpose? To make sure that his knight is safe and to limit more his king movement or to make sure that it is away from the battleground to make it easier for a helpmate.
I am sure that very good theories are already existed during that time and it shows that Bogulyubov doesn't even have any of it. Normally when the position is hopeless it is resignable even at the amateur level.
The only thing Bogulyubov beats were all good chess theories to achieve helpmate game.
Alekhine and Kramnik have in common, they both deprived a rematch against Capablanca and Kasparov.
|Oct-20-08|| ||drunkbishop II: who said anything about RxB?? that's almost as dumb as Kh1. Obviously QxB is superior. Even a 2900 rated player would know that.|
|Oct-20-08|| ||kevin86: The epaulette mate that finished this one must have delighted the audience as it did me.|
|Jul-20-10|| ||aragorn69: In his last on-site newspaper report, Alekhine was (quite rightly) well satisfied with his play in this game, his first Black win in the match:|
<New York Times, 22 September 1929, page 6 of the sports section:
‘WIESBADEN, Sept. 21 – The eighth and last game of the first series of tests in the world’s chess championship to be played at Wiesbaden proved to be a sharp and lively contest.
As the player of the black pieces, I, this time, decided in favor of an immediate development of my queen’s bishop, but achieved only a half satisfactory result inasmuch as the pawn formation adopted in the centre by E.D. Bogoljubow, the challenger for my title, in the fourth and sixth games – P-KB3 and P-K4 – again seemed to serve his purpose. Indeed, the preponderance of White in the centre threatened to become so menacing that I decided, for the time being, to dispense with castling, which would have exposed my king to direct attack.
I therefore initiated a demonstration on the queen’s wing, beginning with P-B4. In my opinion Bogoljubow should have countered this sortie with P-K5, which would have netted him a promising game. His move, B-Kt2, was a bit passive and as a result he soon was confronted with grave decisions.
In order to prevent Black’s attempt to gain elbow room, PxP PxP P-K4 etc., he elected to play, on his 13th move, P-KB4, which immediately changed the entire constellation on the centre of the board.
His move enabled Black to initiate an interesting king-side attack by advancing his rook’s pawn. Perhaps White might have withstood this attack a bit longer if he had played bishop to queen’s bishop’s square on his 17th move, whereupon Black probably would not have castled on the queen’s side, which otherwise suggested a safe undertaking.
After Q-K4 [sic – Q-Kt4] on his 17th move, he only had a choice between several evils during the remainder of the game.
The score now is four to two, a result which was reached in my match with José R. Capablanca only after the 21st game. If the present championship match also would call for only six victories one might possibly count on a relatively early termination, but it requires the absolute majority of 30 games, that is 15½ points, counting drawns [sic]. It may therefore be assumed that only about one-third of the match thus far has been carried out.
The ninth game will be played in Heidelberg Oct. 3.’>
|Nov-15-10|| ||sevenseaman: I am told Bogo was a good player. On CG he always comes out as the whipping boy of x,y,z or he has some good wins here?|
|Nov-15-10|| ||percyblakeney: <I am told Bogo was a good player>|
These tables look good:
|Nov-15-10|| ||perfidious: <sevenseaman> Bogoljubow was one of the finest players of his time and in the mid 1920s, had some outstanding results in tournaments-less so in match play, however. He was twice selected by Alekhine as the challenger for the crown because Alekhine well understood that Bogo's optimistic temperament would have no chance against his steely pragmatism and all-round superiority.|
|Nov-15-10|| ||sevenseaman: < percyblakeney and perfidious> thanks. The first cause of my delight is that it was only by a happy chance that I came back to my yesterday's comment and turned lucky to know of two active kibitzers.|
I am dazzled by the overwhelming information (tables). I'll never again utter a word of disrespect towards the great Bogo.
One disturbing thought: <perfidious> are you saying there was a time a WC could nominate his own convenient challenger.
|Nov-16-10|| ||Shams: <One disturbing thought: <perfidious> are you saying there was a time a WC could nominate his own convenient challenger.>|
Absolutely. No doubt this bit of unfairness was phased out despite howls from the traditionalists, singing their one song, "But that's how we've always done it!"
|Nov-16-10|| ||perfidious: <sevenseaman> Indeed; the champ could accept a challenge from anyone willing to put up the gold under the London Rules, promulgated in 1922, though Alekhine managed to artfully elude Capablanca after their 1927 match.|
|Nov-16-10|| ||Fusilli: <beginner64> You are right about 26.Be3 being better than 26.Kh1, but disaster is imminent after 26...Nf4 (if 27.Bxf4 then Bg4). I would not resign yet, though. I think a few more moves are called for. |
Bogoljubow conducted the whole game with little strategic sense. 13.f4 seemed hurried when Black hasn't castled yet, and placing the Knight on g3 invited Black to push the h-pawn with a tempo gain. Then 23.gxf6 lets Black open the g-file, with catastrophic consequences. Even 23.f6 giving up the pawn should be better than 23.gxf6 opening the g-file.
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