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|Apr-29-17|| ||catlover: I think I saw this game in a collection somewhere (by Fred Reinfeld?), entitled "The Immortal Zugzwang Game".|
|Apr-29-17|| ||offramp: <catlover: I think I saw this game in a collection somewhere (by Fred Reinfeld?), entitled "The Immortal Zugzwang Game".>|
Yes. This is indeed the Immortal Zugzwang Game. Unfortunately it isn't a very good game.
|Apr-29-17|| ||morfishine: Is that an Alkaline battery or an Alekhine battery? Thats the question|
|Apr-29-17|| ||Jack Kerouac: Al Kaline was a great right fielder for the Tigers when the Detroit had the line up battery of Kaline-Horton-Cash. Sorry..|
|Apr-29-17|| ||beatgiant: <catlover>,<offramp>
Saemisch vs Nimzowitsch, 1923 is generally acknowledged as the "Immortal Zugzwang Game"|
|Apr-29-17|| ||morfishine: <Jack Kerouac> We are well aware of the still alive and beloved Al Kaline, a truly great player, and yes what a lineup battery that was with Horton and Cash and the others (looking at the '68 roster)|
But one must not leave out the indefatigable Eddie Brinkman, who arrived shortly thereafter
|Apr-29-17|| ||offramp: <beatgiant: <catlover>,<offramp> Saemisch vs Nimzowitsch, 1923 is generally acknowledged as the "Immortal Zugzwang Game">|
Yeah. But that game is crap. It is even worse than this one.
|Apr-29-17|| ||beatgiant: <offramp>
If only you had been born in the U.S., I'd suggest you run for President.
|Apr-29-17|| ||Howard: Andrew Soltis shares offramp's viewpoint regarding the Saemisch-Nimzowitsch game. In his book of the greatest games of the 20th century, he includes that game as one of the five most-overrated games of that century.|
And he's probably quite right---that game never seemed like that much to brag about. Even if Raymond Keene included it in a book of his own as to the 12 greatest games ever played.
|Apr-29-17|| ||andrewjsacks: Good pun.|
|Apr-29-17|| ||catlover: Nimzowitch was very impressed with his play against Saemisch.|
|Apr-29-17|| ||keypusher: <Howard: Andrew Soltis shares offramp's viewpoint regarding the Saemisch-Nimzowitsch game. In his book of the greatest games of the 20th century, he includes that game as one of the five most-overrated games of that century.> |
What are the others?
I think offramp and Soltis are right about Saemisch vs Nimzowitsch, 1923, but I like this one.
If only you had been born in the U.S., I'd suggest you run for President.>
Not so big of a compliment these days.
|Apr-29-17|| ||beatgiant: <keypusher>
<Not so big of a compliment>
Maybe, an overrated compliment?
|Apr-29-17|| ||Mats G: Tasteless pun. AA means Alcoholics Anonymous.|
|Apr-29-17|| ||Poulsen: <Mats G><Tasteless pun. AA means Alcoholics Anonymous.>|
AA also means Anti-Aircraft as well as Alekhines initials off course. So IMO the pun makes perfectly sense - the AA Battery is in this game gunning down AN's defense involving a king flying to the rescue.
|Apr-29-17|| ||An Irishman: Good Evening: <Mats G> indeed AA could mean alcoholics anonymous, but does AA stand for anything else? I'm sure Chessgames.com has the best intentions.|
|Apr-29-17|| ||beatgiant: <all>
AA battery, a standard 1.5v electric battery
|Apr-29-17|| ||playground player: Big shootout shaping up, and Black is outgunned. If both rooks and the queen aren't a battery, I don't know what is.|
|Apr-29-17|| ||keypusher: <Poulsen> is pretty obviously correct about the idea behind the "AA Battery" pun, especially because the featured two R + Q battery is known as "Alekhine's Gun."|
|Apr-29-17|| ||keypusher: From 2005:
<micartouse: I hereby propose to all chess fans that the term "Alehine's Gun" be replaced by "AAA Battery," (spoken as "Triple-A Battery") which simultaneously combines the initials of his name, the tactic in question, the word "triple" which is how many pieces dominate the file, and the fact that such batteries are often of the 'alkaline' variety. How has this obvious pun been overlooked? Try it yourself and you'll agree "Alekhine's Gun" doesn't have the same magic at all ...>
|May-02-17|| ||Howard: Regarding keypusher's inquiry from about ten postings back, the other three vastly "overrated" games according to Soltis, were Lasker-Napier 1904, Lasker-Capablanca 1914, and Reti-Bogolovov 1924.|
Yes, I know Reti's opponent's name is grossly misspelled but I'm too tired right now to look up the exact spelling.
|May-03-17|| ||Howard: Actually, the correct spelling is Bogoljubov---now that I've had my customary two cups of coffee, I'm now awake enough to look it up.|
Yesterday, I hadn't had much coffee so I was too tired to check the spelling.
|May-03-17|| ||keypusher: <Howard: Regarding keypusher's inquiry from about ten postings back, the other three vastly "overrated" games according to Soltis, were Lasker-Napier 1904, Lasker-Capablanca 1914, and Reti-Bogolovov 1924.>|
Thanks. I agree about Lasker vs W Napier, 1904, though I suspect it stood out more back when it was played than now.
I don't agree about the other two.
Lasker vs Capablanca, 1914
Capablanca played really badly (for him). No argument. But there is a grandeur to the finale that you see very seldom.
Here is Reti vs Bogoljubov, 1924.
Marshall vs Bogoljubov, 1924 is often suggested as a better candidate for the tournament brilliancy prize. No doubt the final combination was a lot deeper. But ultimately, what happens? An underdefended king gets chased into the middle of the board and succumbs. A familiar story.
But the final move from Reti-Bogoljubov? That's unforgettable.
click for larger view
|Jul-09-17|| ||drollere: playing through this game is like eating cold porridge.|
|Sep-09-17|| ||A.T PhoneHome: Pretty good pun actually. The styling of it brings to mind some war apparatus such as M46 Patton, which is only fitting since strategically chess game can be likened to a war.|
But I also feel that "Under the Gun" was a better pun. It was more ominous. Naming the battery "the Gun" shrouds it in mystery.
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