| May-21-04 | | Lawrence: Annotated at <Jon Edwards>'s http://www.queensac.com/chessblog/b... |
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| May-21-04 | | Lawrence: Alekhine should have played 35.Kh1 eval +6.22 rather than 35.Bxe8 eval +2.45. (Junior 8) In any case looks like Colle may have lost on time. |
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Dec-11-06
 | | Octavia: Alekhine was in no doubt that he had won the game after Colle made a positional mistake at move 8! see MY BEST GAMES OF CHESS, vol 2, game 71 |
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Apr-07-09
 | | notyetagm: <Octavia: Alekhine was in no doubt that he had won the game after Colle made a positional mistake at move 8! see MY BEST GAMES OF CHESS, vol 2, game 71> Wow!
Could you explain that in further detail?
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| Apr-07-09 | | MaxxLange: Alekhine:
"...Also successful, but not quite convincing, was another attempt of mine against Colle at Bled, 1931, where I played after 7..Qb6 8. Bd3. My opponent decided to accept the pawn-offer, but did it in not the most secure way: instead of 8...Nxe4 9. Bxe4 Qb4+! - introduced with success by Dr. Euwe in a consultation game against Flohr - he played immediately 8...Qxb2, allowing White to bring his King into safety. The attack that developed afterwards - on the basis first, of a space advantage and, later, of the two Bishops supremacy - was both typical and instructive." |
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| Apr-07-09 | | beatgiant: I think 11...Qb6 may be premature. It allows White's early Qc2; also, maybe the queen would prefer to go to a3 instead of b6, avoiding the unprotected e7 bishop which allows White's Nf5. What has White got against 11...Be7 instead? |
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Apr-07-09
| | notyetagm: <MaxxLange: Alekhine:
"...Also successful, but not quite convincing, was another attempt of mine against Colle at Bled, 1931, where I played after 7..Qb6 8. Bd3. My opponent decided to accept the pawn-offer, but did it in not the most secure way: instead of 8...Nxe4 9. Bxe4 Qb4+! - introduced with success by Dr. Euwe in a consultation game against Flohr - he played immediately 8...Qxb2, allowing White to bring his King into safety. The attack that developed afterwards - on the basis first, of a space advantage and, later, of the two Bishops supremacy - was both typical and instructive."> Thanks |
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| Apr-07-09 | | beatgiant: Also 14...c5 looks a bit dubious to me. Why should Black open the game for White's attack? Something like 14...0-0 15. Bc3 Qc7 looks a lot safer. Black is cramped but solid and has a pawn up. |
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| Apr-07-09 | | WhiteRook48: how about 8...h6? |
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| Apr-07-09 | | MaxxLange: <WhiteRook48> Alekhine, in his long comment , recommends 7...h6 instead of the whole mess after ...Qb6: "..III. 7...h6!, practically forcing the exchange of White's Q's Bishop. Although, after 8 Bxf6 Nxf6 9 Nc3, g3 followed by ...Bg7 etc. [sic?] White would still enjoy more freedom, at least temporarily, Black's chances for the future, because of the two Bishops, would be quite satisfactory, and that is why I have recently given up the otherwise playable 6. e4" I've transcribed the descriptive notation in the Dover edition into algebraic, and the [sic?] refers to a murky or unclear passage, which there are, unfortunately, plenty of in this brilliant chess classic book |
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| Apr-10-09 | | beatgiant: <MaxxLange>
Interesting,but I don't understand why Alekhine's suggested line is practically forced. For example, why not simply 7...h6 <8. Nxf6+> Nxf6 9. Be3 keeping the Q's bishop and apparently at least a minimal space advantage. |
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| Apr-10-09 | | drukenknight: bg: you've got to bring the B to d2 because of ...Bb4+ yes? 7...h6 seems the only principled move as it forces stuff. |
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| Apr-11-09 | | beatgiant: <drukenknight>
After 7...h6 8. Nxf6+ Nxf6 9. Be3 <Bb4+> and then 10. Nd2 Ne4 11. Qc2 Nxd2 12. Bxd2 Bxd2+ 13. Qxd2, Black relieves the cramp by trading off a few pieces, but White still has a slight space advantage.And if the above line isn't good enough, there's also <10. Bd2> instead of Nd2. This might lead to 7...h6 8. Nxf6+ Nxf6 9. Be3 Bb4+ 10. Bd2 Bd6 11. Bc3 c5 12. dxc5 Bxc5 13. Qxd8+ Kxd8 14. Be2, and White might soon attack on the Queenside. I tried the "find similar games" link and found examples with 7...h6 8. Nxf6+ Nxf6 <9. Bd2> as you suggested (T Reiss vs G Pataki, 2001), and White eventually won. Of course, I'm not sure these lines give White any real advantage, but certainly they don't look so bad that White would be <practically forced> to exchange the Q's bishop. |
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| Apr-11-09 | | drukenknight: Yeah I said its the only "principled move" but that is overstatement. Black could also give check that forces stuff as well, probably there are a lot of ways the game can go and still be okay. Hey: thanks for posting interesting lines there. ANyhow, Colle does really well here to hang w/ Alek. for 30 moves; something seems a bit off when he starts moving the K on move 23...Kf8 |
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| Apr-14-09 | | beatgiant: <drukenknight>
Interesting point, without 23...Kf8 the f8 square is available for the Queen, as in 23...Rc8 24. Qb2 Qf8. I don't see a direct White win, but White can then continue to build the attack, for example with 25. Re5. |
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