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Max Euwe vs Alexander Alekhine
Alekhine - Euwe World Championship Match (1935), Various Locations NED, rd 20, Nov-16
Slav Defense: Czech. Carlsbad Variation (D17)  ·  1-0


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  Calli: Notable is Euwe's problem-like move, 30.Ra2!!
Dec-07-04  azaris: Deep. Black's inability to play ♗b5 to activate his rook and bishop becomes his destruction as the king is alone fighting against the bishop and the pawns coming at him.
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  beatgiant: What if Black tries to hunker down with something like 27...♖a6 28. ♖b1 ♗xa4 29. ♗d5+ ♔f8 30. ♖b7 ♗e8 31. ♖c7 ♖a1+ 32. ♔g2 a5 33. ♗e4 h6 34. ♖xc5 a4? I'll agree it still looks pretty tough for Black, but he would have the a-pawn for his troubles.
Dec-07-04  Minor Piece Activity: Oops, screwed up the line that I typed up. Will try again.
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  beatgiant: <Minor Piece Activity>:

<Maybe 27...Ra6 28. Rd1 is better beatgiant?> Black would reply 28...♗e6 so that if 29. ♗d5 ♔f7 . Admittedly, White's still playing for a win here.

Dec-07-04  Minor Piece Activity: How about 27...Ra6 28. Rd1? For example Bxa4 29. Rd8+ Kf7 30. Bxh6. The bishop cannot be trapped by g6 because of 31. Bg8+ Ke7 32. Rc8. However I think (going back to the earlier line 30. Bxh6 Bb3 31. Be3 Ra4 makes white's job of converting hard. I still think white may win, but converting the advantage looks difficult.
Dec-07-04  Minor Piece Activity: Ok, you're right, 27...Ra6 28. Rd1 Be6 29. Bd5 Kf7 is best, but 30. Bxe6 Kxe6 31. Rd5 still looks more dangerous to me than in the other line with Rb1. I dunno, maybe Alekh can squirm out of it with good endgame technique but I probably wouldn't make it. ;)
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  Calli: Instead of 27...Bxa4?, Dr Max gives the correct line as 27...Rd2! 28.Rb1 Rxe2 29.Bd5+ Kf8 30.Rb7 Re1+ 31.Kg2 Re7! 32.a5 with "drawing chances" (Euwe)
Dec-08-04  drukenknight: Ummm, does Euwe mention 35...g4? because that looks pretty difficult to win.
Dec-08-04  Cyphelium: <dk> After 35.- g4, there's no way that black can stop white's king from getting to f4, as he can never move his rook or bishop. For example 36. Kf2 Ke5 37. Ke3 (zugzwang) 37.- Kf6 38. Kf4 and then white can push e4-e5, put the king on g5 and start picking up pawns h5 and g4. Black is completely passive and has no moves.
Dec-08-04  drukenknight: Yeah, well if all that is true how do you explain this?

36. Kf2 Ke5
37. Ke3 g3
38. Ra1 Bb5
39. Rxa6 Bxa6
40. Kf3 Bc8
41. Kxg3 a5

Dec-08-04  Cyphelium: <dk> In your line, 38. Ra1 is of course a huge blunder. If the rook remains on a2, there is never any Bb5 move, since the Bd5 will cover Ra2 after cxb5. So on 37.- g3, white should play the simple 38. Kf3, picking up the pawn. For example 38.- Kd4 39. Kxg3 Kc3 40. e5 Kb3 41. Rf2 and then f6-f7-f8Q.
Dec-08-04  drukenknight: Cyph: 38 Kf3?? drops the Rook and the game: 38...Bd1+ 39. Kxg3 Rxa2 40. f6

are we sure we have the board set up right? Maybe I have it set up wrong??

Dec-08-04  Cyphelium: <dk> You could say that the board was set up wrongly in my mind! ;-)

Instead, look at this. 35.- g4 36. Kf2 Ke5 37. Kg3. Now, you'll see that white will get his king to f4 via zugzwang. The ideas are the same, but this time it's correct even.

My apologies for producing such nonsense as my last posts; I should know fully well that more than a 5 sec consideration is needed before posting.

Dec-08-04  drukenknight: are you serious this time? I never know when you're joking or not.
Dec-08-04  drukenknight: Okay Cyph. this time promise to spend more than 5 seconds on it.


slowly now, your turn.

Dec-08-04  Cyphelium: <dk> 38. Kf4 (7.5 secs spent)
Dec-08-04  Cyphelium: <dk> And if 38.- Kc3, then 39. e5. For example 39.- Kb3 40. Re2 and the twin pawns are running through.
Dec-08-04  drukenknight: again slow down...
Dec-08-04  drukenknight: okay you have a pt. Let's sack the B on move 36, what the heck it's only ALekhines B. So...

35...g4 36. Kf2 Rb6!

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  beatgiant: <drukenknight>:
<35...g4 36. Kf2 Rb6!> Can you describe your idea in greater detail? White seems to win easily against the obvious lines like 35...g4 36. ♔f2 ♖b6 37. ♖xa4 ♖b2+ 38. ♔e3 ♖b3+ 39. ♔d2 g3 40. ♖a6+ ♔e5 41. ♖g6 ♖a3 42. f6 ♖a2+ 43. ♔c3 ♖a3+ 44. ♔b2 ♖f3 45. f7 and now the g-pawn falls to the threat of ♖xg3.
Dec-08-04  drukenknight: bg: in your last line, try 39...Rb2+ not sure if the crap computer is looping out or just doesnt know....
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  beatgiant: <drukenknight>:
<in your last line, try 39...Rb2+ not sure if the crap computer is looping out or just doesnt know....>

How does that make a significant difference (in the hypothetical line we have been discussing) after 39...♖b2+ 40. ♔c3 . Black will run out of checks and then White proceeds as in the line I gave earlier. I still don't get your main idea here.

Dec-08-04  drukenknight: not sure of anything, what do you see as the follow up to 40 Kc3? the crap computer just gives checks, but maybe it has cached something in its memory (it does weird stuff lets just say), are you using a computer what do you see after move 40?
Dec-08-04  drukenknight: See it is starting to loop on me like this:

39…Rb2+ 40. Ke3 (somethine else?) Rb3+ 41. Ke2 Rb2+ 42. Kd3

this is all Im saying if you want to keep suggesting moves, feel free, I just wish I had better binary woodpusher.

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