Aug-09-05
 | | Green Bishop: A nice Knight sacrifice. |
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Aug-09-05
 | | Calli: Does it work? 18...Kxg7 19.Qg5+ Kh8 20.Qf6+ Kg8 21.Re3 Rfe8 22.Rg3+ Kf8 and then what? |
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| Aug-10-05 | | beatgiant: <Calli: Does it work? 18...Kxg7 19.Qg5+ Kh8 20.Qf6+ Kg8 21.Re3 Rfe8 22.Rg3+ Kf8 and then what?> And then perpetual check with 23. Qh8+ Ke7 24. Qf6+, etc. but I have not found any win for White either. Then again, I don't think White necessarily had any advantage in the position before his 18th move. |
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Aug-10-05
| | Calli: <beatgiant> Thanks. Alekhine undoubtedly would not have played such a draw line (Nxg7) against a GM. He has a space advantage and Black would have to defend the Kingside accurately. |
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Aug-11-05
| | Green Bishop: Calli, Beatgiant, Thanks. I post the comment hoping for some analysis. I still believe that after Calli's line, 23. f4 is the answer. (23. f4,Re6 24.Qg7+, Ke8 25.f5) Or (23.f4,Qd8 24.Qg7+,Ke7 25. f5,Kd7 26.e6+,Kc8 27.exf7) |
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| Aug-11-05 | | Steppenwolf: I see another win, far simpler.
After 18.KxN, 19.Qg5+,Kh8 20. Qf6+, Kg8, 21. Re3, and if Rfe8 (or Rfd8), 22. Qh6! |
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| Aug-11-05 | | sneaky pete: 18... Kxg7 19.Qg5+ Kh8 20.Qf6+ Kg8 21.Re3 Rfe8 22.Qh6 Re6 (23.Rg3+ Rg6) then what? And what after 22.Rg3+ Kf8 23.f4 Qe6 (24.Qg7+/Qh8+ Ke7 25.Qxh7 Rh8)? |
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Aug-11-05
| | Calli: <Steppenwolf> and <Green Bishop>
I agree with <Sneaky Pete>. 22.Re6 or 23.Qe6 defend nicely. |
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| Aug-11-05 | | beatgiant: <Calli>
<He has a space advantage and Black would have to defend the Kingside accurately.>Interesting. When I first looked, I thought Black could equalize easily with ...f6 after a few moves. On 18. Nd6 b6, White's knight isn't going anywhere. Or 18. Qg6 Ne6 19. Qg4 Kh8 and I don't see any promising follow-up. Or 18. Ng3 f6 seems okay. So what am I missing? |
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Aug-12-05
| | Green Bishop: Well, about the Knight sacrifice this is my final effort: 18.Nxg7,Kxg7 19.Qg5+,Kh8 20.Qf6+,Kg8 21.Re3,Rfe8 22.Rg3+,Kf8 23.f4,Qe6 (Re6?? 24. Qg7+ followed by f5) 24.Qg7+,Ke7 25.f5,Qc8 (Qxf5?? 26.Rf1 with strong attack) 26.Qg5+,Kd7 (Kf8??,f6) 27.Qf6,Qd8 28.Qxf7+,Kc8 29.Re1. Is Black better? |
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| Aug-12-05 | | sneaky pete: <Is Black better?> In this line, not after 25... Qc8? 26.Qf6+ Kd7 27.Qd6# or 26... Kf8 27.Qh6+ Ke7 28.Qd6#. He might play 25... Qxf5 26.Rf1 Qe6 and now if 27.Rf6 Qxe5 28.Rxf7+ Kd8 or if 27.Rgf3 Kd8 when White has good chances for the sacrificed material. |
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| Aug-12-05 | | beatgiant: <Green Bishop, sneaky pete>
What did you find after 18.Nxg7,Kxg7 19.Qg5+,Kh8 20.Qf6+,Kg8 21.Re3,Rfe8 22.Rg3+,Kf8 23.f4 <Qf5> instead? Black blockades the f-pawn, threatens consolidation/exchanges via ...Ne6 or ...Rg8, and I'm missing White's follow-up. |
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| Aug-12-05 | | sneaky pete: <beatgiant> That's an easy one: 18.Nxg7 Kxg7 19.Qg5+ Kh8 20.Qf6+ Kg8 21.Re3 Rfe8 22.Rg3+ Kf8 23.f4 Qf5 24.Qxf5 ..  . |
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| Aug-12-05 | | beatgiant: <sneaky pete>
Oops, for some reason I was seeing the queen already on g7 in this line. Oh well, another one for the blooper collection. |
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Aug-12-05
 | | Shams: how about 18...Kxg7 19.Qg5+ Kh8 20.Qf6+ Kg8 and now 21.f4! The rook lift can wait. 21...Re8 22.f5 Kf8 (22...Qe7 23.Qh6 f6 24.e6 ) 23.Re3. is that any better? |
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Aug-12-05
| | Shams: although 21...Qe6 22.Qh4 f5 or 22.Qg5+ Qg6 23.Qh4 f5 may save black. |
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| Aug-12-05 | | bane77: No. 21.f4 Qe6  . This sacrifice is enough only for draw. There is no win for white after 18.Nxg7. |
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Aug-12-05
| | Calli: <beatgiant> I really didn't analyze, but kept the Knight at f5 in my mind. A position like 18.Qg5 Ne6 19.Qg4 Rad8 20.Rad1. <GreenBishop> Very good! f4-f5 is undoubtedly what Alekhine would have played. Its am unclear position to me. |
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Aug-12-05
| | Green Bishop: Sneaky pete got it. He also gave mate lines that improve my analysis. But there's nothing clear at the end. The question is: What did the two masters saw? Or maybe Alekhine just needed a draw? |
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Aug-13-05
| | Calli: <Green Bishop>
Game was part of a simul on 26 January 1935. There were 43 games. Alekhine had 33 wins 6 losses and 4 draws. Somewhat below his average, but the strength of opposition varies greatly in simuls. I have no idea about the strength of Palau. |
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Aug-13-05
 | | Benzol: He defeated both Max Euwe and Octavio Trompowsky - See Euwe vs L Palau, 1924 and Trompowsky vs L Palau, 1925 so he must have been a fairly strong player. |
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Aug-13-05
| | Green Bishop: Calli, thank you for the information. Luis Palau (1897-1971) was a prominent master from Argentina. He wrote several books and was, along with Grau, the editor of a monthly magazine named:"El Ajedrez Americano". His game against Le Kolste won a brillancy price in a tournament in London, 1927. |
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Aug-13-05
| | Calli: <Green Bishop> <Benzol> Guess I forgot to click on the name to find out about Palau. Will put the Bio info in my AA DB. Thanks |
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