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| Open Defence: <Hitler's father, Alois Hitler, was an illegitimate child and, for the first 39 years of his life, bore his mother's surname, Schicklgruber.[5] Alois’ paternity was not listed on his birth certificate, and has been the subject of much controversy. After receiving a "blackmail letter" from Hitler's nephew William Patrick Hitler threatening to reveal embarrassing information about Hitler's family tree, Nazi Party lawyer Hans Frank investigated, and, in his memoirs, claimed to have uncovered letters that revealed Ms. Schicklgruber was employed as a housekeeper for a Jewish family in Graz and that the family’s nineteen year old son, Leopold Frankenberger, fathered Alois.[5] No evidence has ever been produced to support Frank's claim, and Frank himself said Hitler's full Aryan blood was obvious.[6] Frank's claims were widely believed in the 1950s, but by the 1990s, were generally doubted by historians.[7][8] Ian Kershaw dismisses the Frankenberger story as a "smear" by Hitler's enemies, noting that all Jews had been expelled from Graz in the 15th century and were not allowed to return until well after Alois was born.[8] (For more, see Leopold Frankenberger) In 1876, Alois took the surname of his stepfather, Johann Georg Hiedler. The name was spelled Hiedler, Hüttler, Huettler and Hitler, and was probably regularized to Hitler by a clerk. The origin of the name is either "one who lives in a hut" (Standard German Hütte), "shepherd" (Standard German hüten "to guard", English heed), or is from the Slavic word Hidlar and Hidlarcek. (Regarding the first two theories: some German dialects make little or no distinction between the ü-sound and the i-sound.)[
> so is there a source to confirm that Hitler or Alekhine was Jewish ? |
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| HeMateMe: <Richard Taylor>
since the whole planet is descended from a small tribe in eastern Africa, aren't we ALL Jewish? ....in a manner of speaking. |
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| An Englishman: Good Evening: I'm so sorry for contributing nothing but a wild guess, but maybe Alekhine's ancestors did include Jews, but he was either non-religious or non-observant. |
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| An Englishman: Good Evening: Incidentally, this is a superb display of endgame artistry. |
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| Richard Taylor: But what about Grovinski!! |
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| Richard Taylor: < An Englishman: Good Evening: Incidentally, this is a superb display of endgame artistry.> Rubbish - Alekhine was obviously drunk. |
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| Richard Taylor: Seriously though, 10. ... b6? is now well known to be wrong. This position can arise from the Panov-Bot or the QGA and is well known. |
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| Benzol: <James Demery> <Botvinnik was Jewish , but not Alekhine...not that it matters - they were tremendous chess players. What are bollocks?> James you're kidding, right?
If you really don't know then I will say that they are the parts of your anatomy that distinguishes you as being male. :) |
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| James Demery: LOL OK. Sorry Benzol I wasn`t familiar with that term, nor would I promise to eat them if I happen to be wrong about something. ;) |
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| Richard Taylor: I forgot to emphasise that Grovinski, that enigmatic figure and rising chess star of the fateful 30s, was not himself Jewish, and also quite people man with women in that frenetic and perhaps degenerate time (especially in Berlin etc), now called The Jazz Age); but such was the influence and prestige of Alyeekine (that mantle that Botvinnick himself, ironically, would come to assume in the long dark gray Soviet years to come after the Holocaust of the 2nd World War that had been fought bitterly and savagely between Germany and Italy (and, as Fortune Herself would determine) Botvnnnik himself was destined to rule Soviet Chess in such a way as to earn the undying hatred (or is that disgruntlement?) of such as Smyslov, Bronstein (a distant relative of Bronstein (better known as Trotsky) and Karpovski (a distant relative of Karpov himself)) that such very obviously Aryan, non-Jewish men of great chess genius such as Grovinski were 'fingered' by such as Alekeene and the Nazis, wishing to show they were not to be messed with, and employing Frank the Nazi Historian to "verify" Alekhien's hypnotic assertions that Grovinski was in fact Jewish...simply solved the various double problems presented by a possible Dual World Chess Champion Problem (Alekhene was to be written into history as German of course...as his unfortunate, and rather embarrassingly Slavic, name - while it could be easily changed by those who expert in re-writing history), did not "fit", and was just causing too many problems so..the rest is history, sadly. |
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| Richard Taylor: I made a slight error there - Alekhine and Grovinski both had dubiously Slavic names, but it was Grovinksi I meant. |
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| Richard Taylor: <James Demery> You seem to be ignorant of facts about matters that might render you seriously deficient in serious areas of a man's life. Are you an American or something? And please pay attention to my explanation of how Alekhine became Jewish... |
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| ounos: <Richard Taylor: I made a slight error there - Alekhine and Grovinski both had dubiously Slavic names, but it was Grovinksi I meant.>
Another slight error: everyone knows that "Fortune" is a "she", not "he" :P |
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| TheFocus: <Richard Taylor> Man, you are really grasping at straws to try and prove a premise that is on the face of it ridiculous. Do you think any Nazi would just overlook Alekhine being a Jew. Man, please read some history and don't try to rewrite it. |
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| TheFocus: <Richard taylor> <The reality is that when Alekhine was in Germany he had rival (a chess genius, now lost to history) who was the = if not stronger than he and - was he (Aleyekine) was well in with the the Nazis (and knowing that to lose to this - his name was Grovinski - a dodgy Jewish/Slavic-sounding name - would be bad form in the sight of his mates in the Waffen SS and others - but he still wanted to play chess but not against Grovinski (who was as "pure" German as one can ever be (tall, masterful, obedient, given to shouting orders, blonde, blue eyed..etc) (like Phlebas)), and was, at that time - as he, didn't drink, etc... clearly, the stronger player... The tragic upshot of all this: is that Grovinski (in the middle of a major chess tourney in (Berlin?) was dragged way screaming to his death by the Gestapo - this was witnessed by a certain Dr Fichte who knew Eysenck the psychologist who (being a German) was resident in Germany in those days - and he told the latter - and also he knew the great GM Rueben Feine...who later became a psychoanalyst (and friend of the young Fischer, himself to become another self hating Jewish Jew)) and also (by the way) concluded categorically that Alekhine was Jewish (or partly thus)... (it was clear from certain historical and biographical knowledge (Alekhien and Hitler were analyzsed by the then OSS of America (later to become the CIA); and found wanting); and the way Alekhine behaved; and the way he played chess...) (Alekhiine was inordinately fond of fat women by the way.) So he was responsible not only for shameful anti-Semitic diatribes (he tried to out do Hitler - who he admired a lot) broadcasts (also as the great poet Pound (of the Cantos)(in Italy) and Lord Haw Haw (in Norway or somewhere) were); but he actually had other chess players killed off...the tragedy for Chess is that we can never see the games of Grovinski as Alekhine assisted the Nazis to expunge all records of him totally from the history of the world...rather as in '1984' (by Orwell) Winston is employed to re-write history...> And how come no one else has ever heard of this "fantasy man" Grovinski?? Could it be that he never existed?? Or exists only in your head? |
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| Plato: <Richard Taylor>: you're right about Botvinnik, but Alekhine was not Jewish. Provide a credible source for your tall tales. <paulalbert: Russian records show Alekhine was baptized on November 10th, 1892 in the Russian Orthodox Church, less than a month after his birth. Both his parents were Russian Orthodox.> |
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| James Demery: Taylor: Yes I`m an American. we were your Allies in WW2. Remember the naval war in the Pacific? We were right there with you. I made my post before your explanation. |
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| Richard Taylor: <James Denery> War in the Pacific? What war? Your fibbing! N.Z. rs like me hate everyone else, and everyone else hates us, as it should be. We have no allies... |
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| Richard Taylor: <<Plato: <Richard Taylor>: you're right about Botvinnik, but Alekhine was not Jewish. Provide a credible source for your tall tales. <paulalbert: Russian records show Alekhine was baptized on November 10th, 1892 in the Russian Orthodox Church, less than a month after his birth. Both his parents were Russian Orthodox.>> You, you Philosopher!You are trying to trick me!
I have many sources and some very rare books here...I will divulge some of it soon. |
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| Nov-03-09 |
| James Demery: I wouldn`t lie about a deal like that Taylor. The Empire of the Rising Sun wanted us all to learn Japanese. We helped you stop them. |
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| Richard Taylor: <James Demery> But I wanted to learn Japanese all my life! Why you say you help us? No one ever help Kiwiland... You lie youself..you trick me - Amerika never ally New Zeeland! Ha!! Ha! But once i saw vrry funny film call Coal Harrbor and China slodiers (very clever make blitx attack) beat Amercans and we all laugh when Amelikana shipees go boom!! Boom!! Very funny see cowards run like moousises from cat everywehere!! And jump big splash in sea!! But fierce China pilot mens very brave!! Ha! and make me happy....Ha!! Haa!! But it wasn't real becaues Amereki not have any ships then days... But why you not want learn Japan lagnauge? Are you prejoodich? BTW Rising Sun was pub on K Road... very rough pub - many fights. |
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| Richard Taylor: <<<TheFocus: <Richard taylor> <The reality is that when Alekhine was in Germany he had rival (a chess genius, now lost to history) who was the = if not stronger than he and - was he (Aleyekine) was well in with the the Nazis (and knowing that to lose to this - his name was Grovinski - a dodgy Jewish/Slavic-sounding name - would be bad form in the sight of his mates in the Waffen SS and others - but he still wanted to play chess but not against Grovinski (who was as "pure" German as one can ever be (tall, masterful, obedient, given to shouting orders, blonde, blue eyed..etc) (like Phlebas)), and was, at that time - as he, didn't drink, etc... clearly, the stronger player... The tragic upshot of all this: is that Grovinski (in the middle of a major chess tourney in (Berlin?) was dragged way screaming to his death by the Gestapo - this was witnessed by a certain Dr Fichte who knew Eysenck the psychologist who (being a German) was resident in Germany in those days - and he told the latter - and also he knew the great GM Rueben Feine...who later became a psychoanalyst (and friend of the young Fischer, himself to become another self hating Jewish Jew)) and also (by the way) concluded categorically that Alekhine was Jewish (or partly thus)... (it was clear from certain historical and biographical knowledge (Alekhien and Hitler were analyzsed by the then OSS of America (later to become the CIA); and found wanting); and the way Alekhine behaved; and the way he played chess...) (Alekhiine was inordinately fond of fat women by the way.) So he was responsible not only for shameful anti-Semitic diatribes (he tried to out do Hitler - who he admired a lot) broadcasts (also as the great poet Pound (of the Cantos)(in Italy) and Lord Haw Haw (in Norway or somewhere) were); but he actually had other chess players killed off...the tragedy for Chess is that we can never see the games of Grovinski as Alekhine assisted the Nazis to expunge all records of him totally from the history of the world...rather as in '1984' (by Orwell) Winston is employed to re-write history...> And how come no one else has ever heard of this "fantasy man" Grovinski?? Could it be that he never existed?? Or exists only in your head?> >>>How could you?!! I NEVER make anything up! Grovkinski was what we classify these days as a Super GM..but I will enlighten you further anon on this vital matter (I have to fly to a World History Conference)...(like Nezmetedidinov - albeit the alter had less Slavic-sounding or Aramaic name) he has been passed over somewhat history so that is only a few of the cognoscnti who know of this chess genius who could beat Alekhine quite easily...(although he did have quite a few draws with Alakhien...in the match they played hewon convincingly... |
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| Richard Taylor: <James Demery> Sorry about the post above my nephew got hold of the comp and typed something on before I could intervene - he is bit 'socially' challenged as they say. Of course you are referring to the Invasion of 1943 by the US-UK forces of Indochina which was to Pacify the rebels of that area...this lead to the attack by the US-Japanese invasion forces against Indonesia and the dropping of 5 atomic bombs on that country (if you ask me they deserved it the Commy bastards!)...or I might be getting mixed up but ..I have to get to this annoying Conference on History! Academic life! Blast!..and I am rather befuddled (and I may have the wrong country...); but will straighten it all out in good time ... But I cant recall any war by Japan they have always been our very good allies. Best regards, Taylor. |
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| TheFocus: <Richard Taylor> Have you been diagnosed by a doctor yet? If yes, then you need to remember to take your medications daily. |
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| Richard Taylor: <TheFocus> This is a terrible insult - I intend to take drastic action against you with the FIDE, the FBI, Woolworths, other relevant agencies...Dr Phil, and so on ... so please be warned...terrible thing to say to a fellow person. Are you implying that I am a looney?! |
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