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|Apr-30-11|| ||Pawn and Two: <meloncio: According to Pablo Moran (The Agony of a Genius), was a normal simul display, not blindfold.>|
My copy of the book, "A. Alekhine - Agony of a Chess Genius, by Pablo Moran, clearly shows the word (blindfold) under Alekhine's name on the game score for this game, Alekhine - Supico, Lisbon, June 1941. No other reference was made to indicate that Alekhine may have played this game other than blindfold.
Perhaps you are referring to some other source, rather than Moran's book, "A. Alekhine - Agony of a Chess Genius", published by McFarland & Company, Inc in 1989. What is the date and source of your information?
|Dec-18-13|| ||MarkFinan: |
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There's a forced mate in 7 starting from the above position. Can anyone, whether you're 1200 or 2200 see it without going through the game first, and taking this position as the starting point? Thing is. I think I can! Knowing that there's a mate in 7 first obviously helps though.
|Dec-18-13|| ||jackpawn: Truthfully I'm fairly sure I would have found it. The difference between Alekhine and me (aside from him being a genius and me being a relative fish!)is I wouldn't had had
the starting position to begin with.|
|Dec-21-13|| ||MarkFinan: <jackpawn: Truthfully I'm fairly sure I would have found it. The difference between Alekhine and me (aside from him being a genius and me being a relative fish!)is I wouldn't had had the starting position to begin with.>|
No nitpicking JP, lol.
Well yeah, they obviously is that. I think this would make a good Wednesday slash Thursday slash Friday puzzle though. Starting from the above position.
|Nov-11-14|| ||SpiritedReposte: Alekhine getting his Frank Marshall on.|
|Nov-07-15|| ||TheFocus: From a simultaneous blindfold exhibition in Lisbon, Portugal in June, 1941.|
Alekhine score is unknown.
See<Chess 1941>, vol. 6, pg. 167-168.
|Apr-11-17|| ||zanzibar: Fine, in his Middlegames book, has a position from this game - p48, diagram 70.|
He gives it as from a blindfold exhibition in 1942.
<Focus> what exactly is the periodical you're referencing?
Di Felice's index lists several, but none with the right year.
I'm interested in the original source - and particulars on the publication would be appreciated. Thanks.
|Apr-12-17|| ||TheFocus: <zanzibar> I will not be able to answer until May; although most of my Alekhine info is from Skinner's book.|
I am not home until May due to travel.
|Apr-12-17|| ||MissScarlett: He's referring to <CHESS (Sutton Coldfield)>, a British periodical second only in importance to <BCM>. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess....|
|Apr-12-17|| ||MissScarlett: < although <<most>> of my Alekhine info is from Skinner's book.>|
|Apr-12-17|| ||TheFocus: Nothing wrong with Skinner at <<all>>.|
|Apr-12-17|| ||Calli: <I'm interested in the original source - and particulars on the publication would be appreciated.>|
I posted it in 2005 - "Chess 1941 v6 p167-168". "Chess" is the British magazine edited by Baruch Wood. In Du Mont's "More Minature Games", he gives the game as "Alekhine-Supiko played in the U.S.S.R., 1919.". All in all, it's a suspicious game.
|Apr-12-17|| ||MissScarlett: After <CHESS>, Skinner & Verhoeven's next source is <Caissa-Argentina>, 1942, p.8. It's possible they picked the game up from <CHESS>, of course. I hoped to find it in contemporary British or American newspapers, but all I could find were some 1945 references to a <<Dr Luiz Supico Pinto>, Portugese Minister for Economy>. Now, I'm not suggesting this was Alekhine's opponent, but, at least, it shows that Supico is a name with a Portugese flavour.|
The earliest newspaper appearance of the game I found is from 1954, in a (syndicated?) Koltanowski column (the <Press Democrat (Santa Rosa, CA)>, 21.02.1954), in which he praises a new German-language book on Alekhine by Hans Muller and A. Pawelczak:
<Here is a game we have not yet seen published in the United States. Played in a blindfold exhibition in Tenerife, 1945....>
A curious endnote is that the position before Alekhine's 20.Qg6 features in the <Illustrated London News> of November 16th 1963, and the location is again Tenerife, 1945, athough the occasion is not identified as a blindfold simul; what's curious is that the column editor is Baruch Wood.
|Apr-13-17|| ||zanzibar: Thanks everybody -
I either didn't scroll down far enough, or was a bit overtired during the overnight - because Di Felice does indeed list a proper entry for Chess:
<491. <Chess> [Sutton Coldfeld] (1935-1988)
Vol.1, no.1 (Sept 14,1935)-Vol.52,no.1018 (Mar 1988).
Fornightly, with double issues monthly in summer months (varies). Later monthly.
<Editors> Baruch. H. Wood (1935-Christmas/87), Paul Lamford (1988).
<Publisher> Chess. Sutton Coldfeld. England. Illus., 24 cm Magazine. General. English
Di Felice has additional notes, but I'll leave it there.
|Apr-13-17|| ||Paarhufer: Just for the record: Müller and Pawelczak gave: <Blindséance, Teneriffa 6.Dez 1945>.|
|Apr-13-17|| ||MissScarlett: According to S&V, Alekhine did visit Tenerife in 1945, but in October-November; in December, he was in Cáceres.|
In checking this, I happened upon a possible clue to resolving this little mystery. S&V have an Alekhine blindold game vs. <J Pedreira>, played in <Santa Cruz de Tenerife> on November 21st 1945 - one of the sources for the game score is <Deutsche Schachblatter 1949, p.5>.
Back to the Supico game, we find that the third of S&V's sources is <Deutsche Schachblatter 1949, p.4-5>. It's a reasonable inference to suppose that Müller and Pawelczak (or, perhaps, someone they relied upon) used this same source in their research and bungled the details accordingly.
|Apr-13-17|| ||TheFocus: <MissScarlett> Are you Edward Winter?|
I truly admire and respect your research skills, which you have demonstrated many times.
You must have an awesome library!
|Apr-13-17|| ||Paarhufer: <Deutsche Schachblätter 1949, p.3-5> An article called "Der unbekannte Aljechin" (The unknown Alekhine) by Franz Chalupetzky, Györ.|
It features three games. A Medina Garcia vs Alekhine, 1944, this one here and Alekhine vs J Pedreira, 1945. The first one is given as played in 1944 and the third as played on 6 December 1945. About this game he wrote: "Blindsimultanpartie, aber wann und wo gespielt?" (blindfold game, but when and where was it played?).
|Apr-13-17|| ||MissScarlett: <<MissScarlett> Are you Edward Winter?>|
I am not (s)he.
|Apr-13-17|| ||zanzibar: <Focus>, haven't you gone through this routine before?|
It's like deja vu all over again!
|Apr-13-17|| ||HeMateMe: he was officer Frank Serpico's Polish cousin?|
|Feb-04-18|| ||stst: If blindfold, then truly brilliant!!
Alek may be the only very top player in my list that also capable of blindfold. Capa probably couldn't do that, though Capa may be my top rank, then Alek ~ Morph... These three are very very close... then come Tal / Fish... These are the five five-star gens in my list... They are all very close!!
|Feb-04-18|| ||HeMateMe: It's good to know the openings...|
|Feb-04-18|| ||ndg2: Alekhine waited for the gold coins but all he got was a fistful of escudos.|
|Mar-18-18|| ||Saniyat24: Sup? I didn't see that...!|
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