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|Dec-17-05|| ||patzer2: <cheetahpop> <What's wrong with 33. Qxg6+...?> I think 33...Kxg6 makes this move bad for White.|
|Dec-17-05|| ||erimiro1: <cheetahpop>White also loses his bishop (and the game).|
|Dec-17-05|| ||Tariqov: <EmperorAtahualpa> after 33.Qf8??Rxe1+ 34.Kf2Qg3mate|
|Dec-17-05|| ||mqhelisi: brilliant!!! but i only saw 33.Re2 and thought 34.Qf8 would lead to Rxg2 35.Kxg2 Qg4 etc failing to see 36.Rxg2|
|Dec-17-05|| ||arifattar: 33. Rf1 Nc4 34. h5.......?|
|Dec-17-05|| ||ahmadov: I could not find any solution because I was looking for an immediate mate. Actually, I do not like this kinds of puzzles and do not include them in my "Chessgames.com's most interesting puzzles" game collection.|
|Dec-17-05|| ||Xeeniner: how does Be5 work?|
|Dec-17-05|| ||erimiro1: Looks like Short came angry (or hungry...) to this game. This is one of the chess games that remind me a boxing ring, with all one's passion to knock his opponent out. One of the best examples why chess, after all, is not for computers.|
|Dec-17-05|| ||patzer2: Need to make a correction. After 34...Rgg7!? (see diagram in my post aboveA), the correct continuation for
White is 35. Rxe7 Qxe7 36. Bxg7 Qxg7 37. Qb4 =.
However, after 37...Nd3!? the Knight is no longer trapped and White must find a tricky draw by perpetual check.
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[Position after 34...Rgg7!? 35. Rxe7! Qxe7 36. Bxg7 Qxg7 37. Qb4 Nd3. White to move and draw (38. ?). Find White's drawing line.]
The answer to this puzzle is to find a draw by perpetual check. One possible solution is 38. Qe4+ Qg6 39. Qxb7+ Kg8 40. Qd5+ Kg7 41.
Qd4+ Kh7 42. Qd7+ Kh8 43. Qd4+ Kh7 44. Qd7+ Kg8 45. Qd5+ Kf8 46. Qd8+ Kf7 47. Qd7+ Kf6 48. Qd6+ Kf7 49. Qd7+ Kf8 50. Qd8+ Kf7 51. Qd7+ = with a draw by threefold repetition of moves.
|Dec-17-05|| ||Petrocephalon: Thanks for your answers, patzer2. I thought 27..Qe4 might have had the idea of preparing an exchange sac on d4.|
It would be interesting to know at what point, if any, the players came under time pressure. Imagine the drama of playing this game!
|Dec-17-05|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: <after 33.Qf8??Rxe1+ 34.Kf2Qg3mate>|
<Tariqov> Yes, I realized my blunder suggestion as soon as I shut down the computer. :)
But hey, this way I am doing my avatar justice, right?
<WannaBe> I hope you saw my blunder suggestion 33.Qf8 and hope you believe now that I'm a serious contender for your title of biggest patzer on this website. :)
|Dec-17-05|| ||hidude: the tactic leads to a $%&# draw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<!>|
|Dec-17-05|| ||LIFE Master AJ: I didn't even come close.
|Dec-17-05|| ||Richard Taylor: I foudn 33. Re2 but I thought I was looking for a win and I thought that it actually won. |
33. Re2 and of course Rx2 and 34. Qf7! wins
But I saw the move as played. 33. Re2 Qd7 (if Qc7 then 34. h5 wins) 35. Qf8 Rg7
but -here - I was looking for a win - I had:
36. Bxg7 and if Qxg7 37. Re7 but I missed 36. ... Rxg7
I did think that White was ok if he picked up the knight however so I was on the right track just that I might have got to move 27. and then gone "ooops!... will have to adopt plan b..."
I have played this general plan in the French - Adams did well to survive Short's attack.
|Dec-17-05|| ||Richard Taylor: Someone said "no intuiton etc -precise calculation only" but the thing is that most of us here - I mean what GM would be here? - there may be one or 2 but I doubt it - most of us are not capable of calculating as well and as accurately or as quickly as players of this level -now we can howeverr learn evaluation skills and attack methods -as well as practice calculation.|
|Dec-17-05|| ||kevin86: My try was 33 ♗e5,but it probably has holes in it. Too complicated for me-when even a good combination leads to a draw.|
|Dec-17-05|| ||snowie1: I would like to see how 39.Qf7+ works.
if Qxf7 40.Rxf7+..Rg7 41.Rxg7+..Kh8 42.Re7 disc + and takes Black's R...know what I mean? Huh? If 39...Rg7 40.Bxg7 and pretty much the same result.
|Dec-17-05|| ||patzer2: <Kevin86> If 33. Be5, then 33...Qd2! threatening mate on g2 and protecting the stray Knight wins easy for Black. |
<snowie1> Your 39. Qf7+ idea may well be as good as the move played. However, on general principals I would avoid trading off the Queens while the exchange down. Fritz 8 slightly prefers this approach, recommending 39. Re2 here.
|Dec-18-05|| ||sucaba: <patzer2>, I was content with your first conclusion 34. _ ♖gg7 35. ♖xe7 ♕xe7 36. ♗xg7 ♕xg7 37. ♕b4<=, trapping the Black Knight to restore equality.>|
To be exact: White can even keep the ♘ and run out of the (immediate) perpetual check
with 38. ♕e4+ ♕g6 39. ♕xb7+ ♔h8 40. ♕b8+ ♕g8.
However, after 41. ♕xa7 or 41. ♕d6 ♕c4 42. ♕xh6+ White has collected sufficient many ♙s.
|Dec-18-05|| ||patzer2: <sucaba> Good comment! I agree White can snatch extra pawns in lieu of the perpetual and still hold the draw here.|
|Dec-18-05|| ||sucaba: Correction of my previous post: It is Black who keeps the ♘ and avoids the immediate perpetual in that line.|
|Dec-20-05|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Part of my problem was that I assumed that it was "White to move and win," ... ... ...|
|Dec-20-05|| ||hayton3: Fortunately for yourself and unfortunately for your environment, awareness of any part of 'your problem' blissfully eludes you.|
|Jan-19-07|| ||positionalgenius: Really nice game by a future super-GM and a current one,at the time.|
|May-22-13|| ||Anglospirit: Great game by players I enjoy watching, specially Adams, whose style is puzzling to my perception of chess.|
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