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Andras Adorjan vs Gabor Glatt
Elekes Memorial 7th (1982), Budapest HUN, rd 6, Jun-??
English Opening: King's English. Four Knights Variation Fianchetto Lines (A29)  ·  1-0


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  Richard Taylor: I think that my line 18 Rxc8+ and if Nxc8 as played until Ke7 then 21 Qg5+ also wins as if Bf6 22 Re1+ Kf7 23 Qd5+ Kf8 24 BxQ RxB 25 Qxd7 and White has tobe wining - Black's pieces are split in two & he is about to be mated, so /and White's three pawns on the K side and his attack will win.

Also if 20...Ke7 21 Qg5+ Kf7 22 B:e5 d6 23 Qf6+ Ke8 24 Qxh8+ was winning - that was the line I looked at - so I feel I found the right lines.

Jan-28-07  Fisheremon: <dzechiel: <rookattack> After 24 Rc1, black must save the queen with 24...Nc6. Then white responds with 25 Qf6+ Ke8 26 Bd6 Qd8 27 Rd1+ and it's all over but the shouting.> Better 25.Bf6+ with mate end.
Jan-28-07  wolfmaster: I found Adorjan's rilliant move and his follow-up move. Already then his opponent could have resigned.
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  WBP: In the final position black might play 24...Qxc1 (rather than (Nc6), and after white plays 25.Qxc1, black has two rooks for a queena and two pawns. White has much the better position--especially in terms of the dominance of the dark squares--but black might be able to duke it out for awhile. Yes?
Jan-28-07  Fisheremon: In seeking a save for Black on 17th move I went back so far and finally I could reach kiddy move 5...Bd6 ?! Is it the root of the whole Black misfortune ?
Jan-28-07  jmelton: I saw the winning sequence, but I wasn't sure what to do after 20...Ke7 instead of Kd8.
Jan-28-07  Mountainman1: Love it when a Rook comes crashing down on the enemy. It was my first move, but the rest was not absolutely clear, at least not to me.
Jan-28-07  jmelton: For some reason the notes by Adorjan aren't visible here, but if you download the game they are. As I suspected, 20...Ke7 puts up the stiffest resistance. Rybka picked out one error in Adorjan's analysis: After 20...Ke7 21.Re1 d6 22.Qg7+ Ke6 23.Qxh8 Nb6, Adorjan gives 24.Qh6+ and doesn't analyze Kd5, where Black's queen would be best on f5 but can't reach that square immediately. The strongest continuation according to Rybka is 24.Qh3+, when after 24...Kd5 things could wind up with 25.Qf5 Nc4 26.Bxe5 dxe5 27.Qf7+ Kc5 28.Rc1 b5 29.b3 Qd6 30.bxc4 and White is winning easily.
Jan-28-07  chopin4525: I missed it :-(
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  fm avari viraf: Adorjan's dazzling display of pyrotechnics is a treat to watch. Even the toughest def.of Glatt could not stop him from the onslaught!
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  al wazir: <Richard Taylor>: Thanks for a rational response to my bleat. To be honest, if I had reached the same position on move 14, I would probably have made a speculative sacrifice too, but not the same one.

I would have played 14. Qh5+. (I don't like 14. Nc4/Ng4 Bxf4 15. gxf4 because it would weaken my ♔ and pawns.) After 14. Qh5+ g6 15. Nxg6 Nxg6 16. Rxc8+ Qxc8 17. Bxd6, I think white has fair prospects. The continuation might be 17...Qc6 18. Bf4 d5 19. Rc1.

Jan-28-07  LaSmitedCrab: heh got it. so many canidate moves, and...well...took me a while to sort them out.
Jan-28-07  ianD: I kept wanting to play Bxe5. I wish i has spent more time on this puzzle because Rxc8 become more obvious. Alas I was rushed this morning when I looked at this I missed it.

At least tomorrow is moday!!

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  dzechiel: <Fisheremon> Better 25.Bf6+ with mate end.

Can't the black king escape to c7 (with the knight blocking the rook)?

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  thegoodanarchist: in the final position, black's extra rook is quite useless
Jan-28-07  THE pawn: I got the first few moves, but after 20.Ke7 I couldn't see 21. Re1 so I thought I screwed up...nice though that I got Rxc8!. But as usual, I wouldn't have seen that in a game.
Jan-28-07  pcvandelay: Hey guys,

I don't understand why black doesn't like his chances (or at least keep fighting) after 25...Qxc1. This leaves him down 2 pawns but with 2 rooks to whites queen?

Any thoughts?

Jan-28-07  ALEXIN: I got it ! I think that the first move (18.RxB) is the more difficult one.
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  Richard Taylor: <THE pawn: I got the first few moves, but after 20.Ke7 I couldn't see 21. Re1 so I thought I screwed up...nice though that I got Rxc8!. But as usual, I wouldn't have seen that in a game.>

I found the moves but I missed Re1 but in fact I am sure that what I saw - Qg5+ also wins.

You might look for Rxc8+ OTB also - as the knight is a kind of keystone for Black and the pin etc - all the elements of the position cry out for something!

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  Richard Taylor: <al wazir> Thanks. Yes Qh5+ looks interesting - Adorjan played a great game - I recall playing over his and Riblis games in the 80s.
Jan-28-07  sambo: I saw this move only because it was the Sunday problem of the day. I wasn't even close to calcuating the whole sequence but it seemed the only possible chance. I saw that if 18. Rxd8 Qxd8 then white would definitely be better and since that meant 18. ... Nxd8 was forced, I was able to see a little farther; I often have difficulty with these puzzles when the first response move isn't forced.

Of course it's nothing I'd be remotely near in real over the board play, but it stands as probably the most difficult problem I've gotten on here yet so I'll take what I can get.

Jan-28-07  Themofro: Rxc8 wasn't that hard for me to find, but took a while to work out the rest, nice game.
Jan-29-07  Fisheremon: <dzechiel: <Fisheremon> Better 25.Bf6+ with mate end.

Can't the black king escape to c7 (with the knight blocking the rook)?> Here's the line (24...Nc6) 25.Bf6+ Ne7 (remember that White's Queen on f4, if 25...Ke8, then 26.Re1+) 26.Bxe7+ Ke8 27.Re1 etc.

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  kevin86: A brilliant combination by white! Strange how black's pieces are constantly being overworked! Eventually,the poor queen is trapped.
Mar-29-07  gambitfan: This game was puzzle of the day...

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