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|Mar-26-04|| ||Benzol: I didn't get it either :( Oh well on to the next one. |
|Mar-26-04|| ||notsodeepthought: I missed it completely... kept thinking of continuations to 25 ... e4 or even 25 ... R:c6. Oh well, live and learn. |
|Mar-26-04|| ||karlzen: Beautiful! I love Miles, not only for his creative play and ideas, but also for his perfect combinations.|
I believe most people considered Rxc6 to get the control of the long diagonal. However it doesn't succeed (in taking the diagonal; it's still winning after Qxc6 f4!). The immediate f4 is also very good. Basically, Adorjan is lost here. I don't get how some of you could consider the move 25...e4 though. Isn't the bishop on d4 hanging? :)
Acutally, I would consider 24...Qh5 a mistake because 24...Bd7!! immediately is a winner: 25.f3 Qh3! (25...Bxc6 26.Qxc6 Rxc6 27.fxg4 Rxh6) 26.Bxd7 Rxg3 27.Qc2 Rcg8 winning in a few moves. The position of the bishop on h6 is hilarious!
Take 13...Qd7!? for example, how many players (even GMs) would consider that? It's a great move because the queen is transferred to the kingside and a very active position. Even so, I think most players would just develop the light-squared bishop and see what's next. Apparently Adorjan thought his pawn sacrifice would give him attacking chances on the kingside, but he was mistaken!
|Mar-26-04|| ||nijja: I did get it, but I am almost sure, that I would have missed it in a game of my own.|
When I look at puzzle of the day, I always look for the brutal method first.
|Mar-26-04|| ||blak519: I got it. 25 e4 is bad because it leaves the black bishop unprotected, prey for the queen. |
|Mar-26-04|| ||MoonlitKnight: These puzzles are too easy! I got this one in 5 seconds!|
Well, honestly, I didn't get it.
|Mar-26-04|| ||Honza Cervenka: I was calculating a line 25...Rxc6 26.Qxc6 Rd8 27.Qc7 Bd5+ 28.Kg1 Ra8 at first but then I saw that white can play 27.Kg1 instead of 27.Qc7. After that 27...Bd5 doesn't work for 28.Qf6+ and white wins. Finally I got right solution. It is very nice shot!|
By the way, Miles could have played Bd7 with a decisive effect one move earlier: 24...Bd7 25.f3 (25.Bxd7 Qf3+ 26.Kg1 Rxg3+ etc.) 25...Bxc6 26.Qxc6 Rxc6 27.fxg4 Rxh6 and black is a piece up or even 25...Qh3 26.Bxd7 Rxg3 27.Qc2 Rcg8 with winning attack.
|Mar-26-04|| ||LOUDERMILK: Nice |
|Mar-26-04|| ||kevin86: I missed the double pin ♗d7. Another good lesson: a pin on the queenside can affect the protection of the king! |
|Mar-26-04|| ||mlundyco: Ack I was soo close! I was looking at 25. Rxg3 fxg3 Then looking for a way to get rid of white's c6 bishop, and then to play Bd5. |
|Mar-26-04|| ||trguitar: I don't often get these puzzles quickly, but I did see this one. I saw that if the black queen could get to f3+, she would be in a strong spot. The only way to get the white bishop off of the diagonal, to allow Qf3+, is Bd7. |
|Mar-26-04|| ||doreshk: Some consolation for those of us that didn't get it: Miles didn't see it right away either and obviously Adorjan didn't see this at all. 24 ... Qh5 was not needed and was an opportunity for Adorjan to play 25.Be3 to prolong this. |
|Mar-26-04|| ||RayFchess: I saw it in about 5 minutes. No, I'm not bragging. I only mean to say is that you can train yourself to find these types of moves. For example, what move would you like to make? Obviously the queen move to check, right, but you know that the move won't work just now because of the bishop. Solution, how do you get rid of the piece in the way, or how do you get to the position you do want? The solution shows you the combinations to make, and the solutions to problems like these. The next question is: When do these types of postions appear in my games or yours? answer: all the time! Look for them to appear at any moment, especially in a tactical game with lots of pieces still left. Use your imagination. Also, don't quit until you get it, no matter how long it takes. Everyone can learn the openings, true strength comes in the middle game if your brave enough to get into a good fight. |
|Mar-26-04|| ||alphee: I tried to do this one on a plane, hence without the solution and didn't find it. It seemed to me that white would do everything possible to avoid having a bishop and a queen aligned on a8-h1, including sacrifying the bishop in c6 provided that he does not loose control of f3. Hence I dropped 25 ...Bd7 26.Bxd7 as a possible solution because I thought White would have played something like 25... Bd7 26. Qa3 Bxc6+ 27. f3 Bxf3+ 28. Rxf3 Qxf3+ 29. Qxf3 ... that avoid this tragic ending. Obviously I was wrong or there is an other way Black can win. Rxc6 is not convincing and 25 ... e4 or f4 lead me nowhere. |
|Mar-26-04|| ||jeremykelly2000: I had solved it rather quickly with the same method as RayFchess had said. I basically solved it backwards, and that's when I have my best games. After all of the analyzing that I did, however, I missed 31. Bg5. I know that it still ends in mate, but it bothers me that I missed a simple and stupid move like that. |
|Mar-26-04|| ||mikejaqua: I didn't get it. I was thinking along the lines of 25 ..f4. Not sure where that leads. Anyone see something disasterous with it? |
|Mar-26-04|| ||Calchexas: I got 25. ...f4. Much more obvious.
And the chesslab computer (bah, I'm really unsure about it, but it's analysis) gives the following line after 25. ...f4.
<26. Bxf4 Rxc6 27. Qxc6 exf4 28. Qd6>
|Mar-26-04|| ||Flyboy216: It would appear that 25. bd2 was particularly disastrous, leading to a -11 (crafty) as opposed to bf4, which is rated -2. Probably many of you see this intuitively, but it was lost on me while watching the game. |
|Mar-27-04|| ||karlzen: <alphee>, why would black take on f3 in your variation? He's already a piece up and after Rxg3 he'll mate in a few moves. Surely you didn't drop bd7 because it didn't give black more than a piece in advantage? :)|
<RayFchess>, true that one can find the solution by pure logic methods, even by trying every possible move! I agrre that the method you describe can be useful at times, but if one wants real success, one must see things such as these intuitively. :)
|Mar-27-04|| ||alphee: <karlzen> true, I dropped it because I was wrongly looking for a check mate and not for material gain. That is definitely were I always get it wrong in puzzles ... probably because of the difference between "win" and "gain" when translated into my native french. I fly to your country on monday, but to the wrong side as I understand it as I go to Solna (that's a Stockholm suburb) |
|Mar-27-04|| ||karlzen: <alphee>, I agree that it can sometimes be hard to know if you actually find the best move if it only leads to gain of a piece. Since Bd7 was such an odd move though, I think it should be consider a hot "solution-candidate".|
I hope you have a nice time in Solna! They have a strong chessclub there, perhaps you will pay them a visit (and Hinchliffe)? :)
|Mar-27-04|| ||alphee: <karlzen : perhaps you will pay them a visit> nope, just a 1 day business trip |
|Mar-28-04|| ||karlzen: <alphee>, that's a pity. If you go in a week or something, there's a giant chess tournament called the "Tusenmanna" = "Thousandmen" in the Blue Hall, Stockholm. Simuls and stuff, to be recommended if you get the time. :) |
|Sep-13-04|| ||Eleassar777: It's not very hard to find 25...Bd7. The real success is to see such moves when actually playing. |
|Sep-17-04|| ||Knight13: Nice Puzzle. |
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