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|Oct-29-06|| ||vibes43: I feel so lured.|
|Oct-29-06|| ||Benzol: I fell into the same line as Alburt.
|Oct-29-06|| ||ceebo: <LIFE Master AJ I also calculated the following line ... WITHOUT the computer: 47.Nb2, Qe1+!; < (Putting the King on g4 is easily stopped by ...Nf6#.) > 48.g3, Qc1!; 49.Nd3, g5+; 50.fxg5, Qxg5 mate.>|
The saving reply to 48...Qc1 is 49. Nc4. Seems that 48...Qa5 is the way.
|Oct-29-06|| ||Archives: I eat puzzles like this for breakfast. They taste good with some light syrup and a side of fries|
|Oct-29-06|| ||nateinstein: I understood that "(a) have realized that White cannot win this position" I found only two moves I liked, Qe2 and f5. However, I did not see that f5 was bad, so I guess I did not completely solve the problem. Over the board I probably would have played Qe2 since it seemed safer since it protects the king.|
|Oct-29-06|| ||nateinstein: The move that was played, Kg4, was about the only move I definitely would not have played lol. Why walk into a check with no other plan? Was white only looking to draw with Kg4?|
|Oct-29-06|| ||greensfield: I must be half thinking on the right lines at last. Selected 47. Qe2 straight away as it prevents the check on e1 & protects pawns on 2nd rank. Looked at continuations 47...Qh2 leading to a draw, and 47...Qd4 struggled with the outcome.|
|Oct-29-06|| ||dakgootje: < I eat puzzles like this for breakfast. They taste good with some light syrup and a side of fries> Yups, or with fava beans and nice chianti for dinner|
|Oct-29-06|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: <chessgames>, I like these curveball puzzles and hope to see more of them, even though I almost always get them wrong. At first, I was looking for a means by which White could play the Queen to h8 and checkmate Black without allowing a mating counterattack. It took a while to realize that White was in serious trouble and had to scramble for a defense first.|
|Oct-29-06|| ||al wazir: <jahhaj>: Thanks for the correction and analysis. Yes, I think the comment in the note is misleading at best.|
|Oct-29-06|| ||Fisheremon: <chessgames.com><greensfield> Thanks for a beautiful puzzle. One sees how could Black benefit the tight position of White's King and the off-side position of White's Knight at a4. The most difficult variation (leading to a draw for white) is 47. Qe2 Qd4 48. Qb2 Nc3 49. Kg4 Qd1+ 50. Kg3 Ne4+ 51. Kh2 d4 52. Qa3! Qe1 53. b4 Nd2 54. b5 Nf1+ 55. Kg1 Ne3+ 56. Kh2 Qf2 57. Qf8+ perp.|
|Oct-29-06|| ||goldfarbdj: The note to white's 47th has a typo: "...can salvage this position with with 47.Qe2!!"|
|Oct-29-06|| ||kevin86: What a remarkable position position!! White is THREE pawns ahead,yet he must do his best to avoid a DRAW. Ironically,he blunders to put himself in a dead losing position. Black responds by playing for a perpetual check and agrees to a draw!!|
Chess is a wonderful game,ain't it? lol
|Oct-29-06|| ||greensfield: <Fisheremon> Thanks for the <47. Qe2 Qd4> variation. Also <chessgames> is to be congratulated for putting up a puzzle of such depth. I spent a nice Sunday afternoon going through the variations suggested.|
|Oct-29-06|| ||Chess Classics: I wasn't even close, but it makes sense now that I've seen the solution. (Can't wait fot the monday puzzle! =))|
|Oct-29-06|| ||alfilbueno: The truth is that I didin't understand the puzzle, because I thought that the position was far from being clear. But, I also don't understand why Qe2 is the only move. How does Black win after g3?|
|Oct-29-06|| ||ksh123: <alfilbueno> We have 47. g3? Qd4! 48. g4 Qh8 , which leaves white with no option to stop mate other than a queen sacrifice with 49. Qxe4 dxe4. If you analyse all possible variations, only 47. Qe2!! can save the game for white.|
|Oct-29-06|| ||Necessary Truths: <jahhaj> 51.Kg4 Qh2 52.Qe2 Qg3#|
Missed a mate-in-one, now I feel stupid.
|Oct-29-06|| ||Tariqov: Oops! my first look i thought "what!!? simple puzzle... just play g4 and white wins!" so i looked at the kibitzing before seeing the solution and thought that this was actually Black to move! but i was wrong and g4 loses to Qe1+.|
|Oct-29-06|| ||vibes43: <Fisheremon> Thanks also for the <47. Qe2 Qd4> variation. But who would have visualized this in their mind? Considering all the variations, how long would it have taken a grandmaster to come to this ultimate decision - to know this was his/her only hope? To know he/she could force a perpetual while pondering 47?|
|Oct-30-06|| ||kevin86: Funny,I first saw 57 g4 also,then I realized that is was instant suicide via ♕e1+ and mate next. I gave up after that.|
|Oct-31-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: I now have read almost all the notes ... especially the ones by CG. |
I have subjected the game to a brief analysis, and the position of the problem to an intensive one.
The tactics are much deeper than I had ever anticipated, however, I still feel (now) the same way I felt then. Qe2 was an "only" move, anything else looks far too risky to seriously contemplate.
|Nov-02-06|| ||TheSlid: So, it was easy then? Sounds like a story told about a famous mathemetician (Hardy). He once dismissed a certian problem as "trivial" - and immediately spent ages considering the matter and later announcing (to his bemused lecture audience) "Yes - it is trivial!".|
|Nov-07-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: <The Slid> Ha, ha! (I get it!) Good story!! |
Seriously, a master probably looks at a puzzle differently than many other players might. (And not every master will see the exact same line, either.)
|Nov-13-09|| ||WhiteRook48: 54 Qh3 Nf2+|
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