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|Jan-09-05|| ||iron maiden: I would say so. Not only can Black not move without giving away material, but if it were White's move, he would be okay. |
|Jan-09-05|| ||iron maiden: Actually not, since Kc4 would maintain the zugzwang. |
|Jan-09-05|| ||JohnBoy: Not exactly, <iron maiden>. If white were on move and played Kc4, black plays ...Ka8 and white's b6 pawn advance no longer forces black to give up material. |
|Jan-09-05|| ||iron maiden: <JohnBoy> But how would that stop him from just bringing the king up via d5 and c6? |
|Jan-09-05|| ||JohnBoy: I'm not saying that the position is not dire, just not the immediate loss of material that I commonly associate with "zugzwang". Maybe we are just debating the definition... |
|Jan-10-05|| ||Honza Cervenka: If white would have been on move in final position, he could have played 1.Kc4 Ka8 2.Kd4 Ka7 3.Kd5 Ka8 4.Kc4 Ka7 5.Kb4 achieving the final position with black on move. |
|Jan-11-05|| ||suenteus po 147: Sooooooo...this is zugzwang? Head...hurts... too much...chess... brain...melting.... *gurgle* |
|Jan-17-05|| ||Milo: I think Anand's mistake might have been 43...Ke5, which is sort of a wasted move because black can play 43...f5 immediately, with much better chances to trade the g and f pawns (although he will still have a grim looking K+B+P vs K+N ending ahead.)|
First, the easy line:
43...f4 44.Bxf4? Nxf4 45.gxf4 (count: 7 tempi each to queen, so black queens first) Kf5 46.Kxb4 Kxf4 47.Kc5 Kf3 48.Kxf2 b4 and you can calculate the rest of this pawn race.
Now, the hard bit: 43...f4 44.gxf4 Kf5 45.Kxb4 Nxf4 46.Kc4 (perhaps Kc5 is better?) Ke4(!!) 47.b4 Ne2 and the bishop has to move because of g3. I'll leave the analysis of the bishop+pawn vs. knight ending to someone else, but my experience with this kind of ending, where a king and knight are stuck on the wrong side of the board, is that they have a hard time of things, cf: Kasparov vs Adams, 1999 but precise play is needed.
|Apr-06-05|| ||aw1988: <suenteus po 147> Are you|
b) Being driven slowly insane by Helter Skelter or
c) Being bonked on the head numerous times with a dishrack by vikings chanting repeatedly "spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam..."
|Apr-20-07|| ||WannaBe: Um... The last time I was in a Zug, was when my opponent played 1. e4.|
|Apr-20-07|| ||lentil: How's this for a blunder? 41. Bd4+|
|Apr-20-07|| ||lentil: p.s.: the (another?) zugzwang occurs at move 70.|
|Apr-20-07|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: And good grief--I know Capablanca, Rubenstein and Alekhine spun endgame wins from the tiniest advantages but this is ridiculous.|
|Apr-20-07|| ||Karpyan: A pawn up is a sufficient reason to play on don't you think?|
|Apr-20-07|| ||kellmano: <lentil> 41. Bd4 does not appear to be check, and was not played. |
No doubting it would be a poor move, but speculating on what moves would have been blunders in a given position is not difficult, e.g. 19. Bh6 would have been a blunder and there are countless others.
By the way, I agree with my fellow Englishman that to win from a seemingly dead level position against even a young Anand was quite an achievement.
|Apr-20-07|| ||Honza Cervenka: I have seen it already more than once but I am still enjoying Yusupov's handling of this ending.|
btw, the finish and the pun here reminds me Monty Python's Holy Grail and the encounter of the King Arthur with the Black Knight.:-D
|Apr-20-07|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <An Englishman: Good Evening: And good grief--I know Capablanca, Rubinstein and Alekhine spun endgame wins from the tiniest advantages but this is ridiculous.>|
It seems to me that the position after 45. ... Nxf4 is technically winning for White. Without the pair of K-side pawns (f2/g4), Black would have a drawing plan based on giving up his Knight for White's last pawn. (It would be necessary, of course, for Black to avoid a winning BxN by White; if one removes the f2- and g4-pawns from the position after 45. ... Nxf4, White could get an easily winning pawn ending with 46. Bxf4). In the actual position (after 45. ... Nxf4), however, the win seems truly to be a "matter of technique". That being said, the technique Yusupov demonstrated over the last 30-or-so moves of this game make it a pleasure to play through.
|Apr-20-07|| ||whiteshark: Did Jussupov has already a lasting advantage after 21. Bxe3 ?
|Apr-20-07|| ||Jack Kerouac: It's never pretty when your zwang's been zugged.|
|Apr-20-07|| ||kevin86: B+P vs N+P endings are funny animals. The stronger player has two ways to win: either he can force a pawn through or trap the knight. Of course,winning usually requires a bit of both.|
Here,the knight is trapped without a move-and is lost.
|Apr-20-07|| ||Alphalegacy: beautiful game, going into an endgame with a bishop vs. knight|
|Apr-20-07|| ||imthecat: Actually I believe the zugzwang occurs on the next move after 70. ...Ka8 71. b6. Anand saw it coming.|
|Apr-20-07|| ||izual: wonderful zugzwang|
|Apr-20-07|| ||fm avari viraf: It's nice to see even top players like Anand getting into zugzwang! A theme accomplished.|
|Jul-11-07|| ||sanyas: There are crushes... and then there is this game...|
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