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|Oct-24-05|| ||benveniste: <Marvol>, In response to 43. ♗xe6, black plays c5.|
But if instead, white plays the simple, 43. ♔xa6, black is once again effectively in zugzwang.
At this point, I quit looking for other lines. Therefor, I'm giving myself full credit for 41. ♗d6+.
|Oct-24-05|| ||grook: I think it all depends on the intention of the player here whether he plays 41.Bd6+ or 41.b4. If you want aesthetic value(zungzwang), or just to crush your opponet's ego, then 41.b4 is beat. But if you just want a win after sweating for it already, then 41.Bd6+ surely comes to mind first.
<SamuelS>:<where does the word zugzwang come from?> I think it comes from Nimzowistch. I remember one of his games(or was it a book?) called "Die Blockade", which is zungzwang at its best. He put the opponent(can't remember his name, sorry) in zungzwang in about 25 moves or so!|
|Oct-24-05|| ||DoctorChess: 41. bxa4 is also adequate.|
|Oct-25-05|| ||YouRang: Rats - missed it (is this the Monday puzzle or the Tuesday?). I simply figured if I capture 41. bxa4 Bxa4, then my king can zigzag its way down to attack and win the knight, and if the bishop tries to stop me, I eat the c6 pawn. I think this wins, but certainly 41. b4 wraps things up immediately. A definite addition to anyone's "Zugzwang" game collection.|
|Oct-25-05|| ||kevin86: b4:a Seinfeld move-a move about nothing,lol. Black is so tied up that at least a pawn will fall-and soon after-more. Zugzwang city!!|
|Oct-25-05|| ||notsodeepthought: <YouRang> <is this the Monday puzzle...?> Good point, I'm confused too. My guess is that the <cg.com> facilities may be based in Florida or some other "Wilma-hit" region, and that they are just now getting them to work again. So everything is a little behind, including the puzzle of the day.|
|Oct-25-05|| ||notsodeepthought: grook> That game is on this site: Samisch vs Nimzowitsch, 1923 (the "Immortal Zugzwang game").|
|Oct-25-05|| ||weary willy: zug = move
zwang = compulsion
"zug·zwang n. http://dictionary.reference.com/sea...
A situation in a chess game in which a player is forced to make an undesirable or disadvantageous move."
[German Zugzwang : Zug, pull, move (from Middle High German zuc, pull, from Old High German, from ziohan, to pull. See deuk- in Indo-European Roots) + Zwang, compulsion (from Middle High German twanc, from Old High German).]
Think it pre-dates Nimzo ... but he developed it into an art form
|Oct-25-05|| ||Saruman: I have played some good zugzwang games of late, although they were only 10 minutes. My thought used to be: "well I am pleased with that side of the board, lets tie him up on the other". It works actually.|
|Oct-25-05|| ||al wazir: We seem to have three candidates, all of which have been shown to win: 41. bd4, 41. Bd6, and 41. bxa4 followed by the penetration of the white king to b6 and Bxc6 (my solution). This is a situation in which *any* aggressive move by white wins. |
<CG> Congratulations on surviving Wilma. Will we get Tuesday's puzzle on Wednesday, Wednesday's on Thursday, etc., and . . . Halloween horror! a Sunday puzzle next Monday !!!
|Oct-25-05|| ||geaux82: <Saruman> i think zugzwang is funny but difficult concept on execution. i don't like so many are played by you!!! i wish you could sharing them!|
|Oct-27-05|| ||Marvol: <benveniste: <Marvol>, In response to 43. Bxe6, black plays c5.
But if instead, white plays the simple, 43. Kxa6, black is once again effectively in zugzwang.>|
Hm, 43...Kxa6 is nowhere in sight, what do you mean?
And if black plays 43.(Bxe6) c5, then 44 d7 forces black to give up his bishop. That was the threat of Bxe6 to begin with.
|Oct-28-05|| ||benveniste: <Marvol>, I meant ♔xb3. The likely continuation is Ba6, which is where I mistranscribed my notes. My apologies.|
|Apr-24-08|| ||WannaBe: Zug Shot?! Is that anything like a Zoot Suit?!|
|Apr-24-08|| ||kevin86: An odd conclusion-true torture for black. Black thought he was clever in locking in the white bishop-but the same bishop helped the combination by leaning on black's knight and robbing the king of his only escape.|
|Apr-24-08|| ||Magic Castle: 20...Ne8 is the losing move since the Knight was effectively imprisoned. (20... Nc4 loses the pawn and the Knight appears to be in peril in 20...Ne4.) Once one realized this, the next white combinations are just quite easy to find and understand.|
|Apr-24-08|| ||Waitaka: One of the most beautiful Zugzwang I have ever seen.|
|Aug-13-15|| ||shishio71: Hmm... the puzzle AND the GOTD... Did I miss a memo, or is today Zugzwang Day? Very nice finish|
|Aug-13-15|| ||Penguincw: That's gotta be something; both the GOTD and POTD end in zugzwang for black.|
|Aug-13-15|| ||jith1207: <Penguincw> and <shishio71>: Going through archive comments, it looks like this GOTD was once a POTD and on that same day, Nimzo's immortal zugzwang game was the GOTD. Now How about that kind of plan from CG?|
|Aug-13-15|| ||pericles of athens: Cringeworthy "pun"! Yikes, that is corny.|
|Aug-13-15|| ||sicilianhugefun: Easy to understand example of ZUGZWANG.|
|Aug-13-15|| ||kevin86: surprise: black has no moves!|
|Aug-13-15|| ||Travis Bickle: White has black strangled like a Boa Constrictor! lol|
|Sep-07-15|| ||Moszkowski012273: Not the best of end games. 36.Bd6+... really ought to have been played.|
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