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|May-31-10|| ||johnlspouge: < <agb2002> wrote : [snip] "Wir müssen wissen. Wir werden wissen."|
Hi, <Antonio>. I thank you for enlightening me. Quite in character, Hilbert's epitaph carries to infinite extremes the saying, "If only I knew then, what I know now."
|May-31-10|| ||chrisowen: Eg Finch has a passer in ease you are opening g2 the bees knees. We dish up the queen takes hard rock then rook over gives it a knock. You see doubt white pecking honeybun as countdown's long since begun. Shoot chaff Rh3 sting in the tail missing 19.Qg3 put him in jail.|
|May-31-10|| ||gawain: Oh, I see! 31...Qxg2+ knight takes then 32...Rh3#
Took me a minute or two. I wasted time looking at Rh3+ as the first move.
|May-31-10|| ||apiana: Qg1# Rxg1 Rh3 mate does the trick too|
|May-31-10|| ||Arbiter58: <apiana: Qg1# Rxg1 Rh3 mate does the trick too> apart from the fact that gxh3 takes the 'mating' rook and white wins :)|
|May-31-10|| ||SufferingBruin: I'm sorry but it's been months since I've written this and it really needs to said again.|
If I could write like <Once>, I'd never leave the keyboard. Praise is not always comfortable to receive but he's just going to have to take it for now. That is all.
|May-31-10|| ||Domdaniel: This is so easy I solved it last Saturday. "Monday, Queen sac, mate in 2" were my words, as I recall.|
Time taken: minus 48 hours.
|May-31-10|| ||scormus: Didn't get this :-(
Kept looking for the damn stalemate .....
|May-31-10|| ||gofer: Ah, back to the normal weekly routine, a queen sac on a Monday. |
31 ... Qxg2+ 32 Nxg2 (forced) Rh3#
I imagine there will be few complaints about this one! Time to check...
|May-31-10|| ||A Karpov Fan: got it (i think this Ba5 retreat is strong against the evans gambit, I play it myself)|
|May-31-10|| ||David2009: Missed it! 31...Rh3+?? 32.gxh3 Bd5+ 33.Re4 1-0. Impulsiveness comes before a fall.|
|May-31-10|| ||lzromeu: 29.NH4 was losing move|
|May-31-10|| ||lost in space: <<johnlspouge> wrote: <agb2002> wrote : [snip] "Wir müssen wissen. Wir werden wissen.">|
Wissen ist Macht. Nichts wissen macht nichts.
|May-31-10|| ||M.Hassan: <kellomo: In your line after 32.Rg1, then Rh3 is mate> Thank you so much!! To be quite honest, I did not see it!!!like I did,nt see the two move mate at first.Appreciate it|
|May-31-10|| ||Domdaniel: <Izromeu> -- < 29.NH4 was losing move> It sure looks like it (at first I couldn't see why Anderssen, with his mania for attacking, didn't just play 29.Rxe6) -- but in fact White is already totally lost. Perhaps he intended 29.Rxe6 (when ...fxe6 gives him chances) before noticing that it lost at once to 29...Qxf3!, when both the f and g-pawns are pinned and mate soon follows. White can try 30.Rxh6+ but runs out of juice after 30...Kxh6 31.Qh8+ Kg5 32.Qe5+ Kh4 and Black wins.|
In fact both players missed tactics a little earlier, but White had been in a worse position since the opening. His decision to give up the LCB on c4 was mysterious, given its attacking powers, and the e5 advance was naive. Black could have punished him with an earlier ...Qd3, eg on move 15 when the Knight is unguarded on c3.
Typical of Anderssen, the whole idea of h5, B-for-N exchange on e7, and Nf6?! is very ingenious, but unsound. Black could have improved with 25...Qf5 instead of ...gxf6. Even after 25...gxf6, both players missed an important twist: White doesn't have to play 26.exf6 (threatening fxe7 and Qg7#) at once -- the Zwischenzug 26.Rad1 is better. After 26.Rad1 Qxd1 27.exf6 Bxf2+ 28.Qxf2 Red7 29.Rxd1 Rxd1+ 30.Kh2 Black is still better thanks to the mate threat, but black has two rooks for the queen, and some counterplay.
White did admittedly have a better move than either 29.Rxe6? or 29.Nh4?! -- after 29.Kh2 he's still alive, but Black has 29...Rxf3, which should win, even after 30.Rxe6 Rf5! -- when f7 is covered and one of the white pawns (f2 or h5) will fall with check.
Anderssen played the whole game poorly. If it wasn't for the fact that Black let him back into it two or three times, one would think it was the Black player who was a famous master.
|May-31-10|| ||apiana: missed that right, lol|
|May-31-10|| ||David2009: This is an example of an Anderssen attack that nearly but not quite breaks through. Rewind to move 27:
click for larger view
Black has just played the excellent Rd8-g8! Setting this position up on CraftyEGT,
we find by trial and error that the game line gives best White
chances until move 29 (e.g. 28. Qxg8+ Kxg8 29. fxe7 Qd7! leaves Black ahead on material). 29 Nh4? seems to be a decisive mistake: instead
29.Kh2 Bxf2 30.Rxe6 fxe6 31.Qxe6 hangs on. One possible continuation (Crafty playing Black) is 31... Rg7 32.Rc1 Bg3+ 33.Kh1 b5 34.Nd2!
and White may just be holding on: e.g. 34...Qd8 35.Nf3 Qd3 36.Nd2 repeats, or 34...b4 35 Ne4 threatening Nf6+ with counter-play.
|May-31-10|| ||scormus: <Domdaniel> I thought the same - about W giving up his KB as well as his 29 Nh4 (what an ugly move!) It must have been bitter to be on the receiving end of so much radiation from B's DSB. It would have saved B if W played 32 Qg7+ instead of Qe5+ in your line. |
It is painful to see such a great player as Andersson playing such a terrible game - maybe he'd been indulging in the Absinthe they probably dispensed there.
|May-31-10|| ||wals: Of course, so easy, and I dipped out.
Rybka 3 1-cpu: 3071 mb hash; depth 16:
WHITE,A Knight for a Bishop and pawn.
-1.20 15.Qf4. Available,
1. (-0.63): 15.Qe2 Qd7 16.Ba3 0-0-0 17.Bxe7 Qxe7 18.Na4 Kb8 19.Nxb6 axb6 20.a4 Rd5 21.Qe4 g6 22.Rfe1 Rhd8 23.Rac1 Bf5
2. (-0.66): 15.Qe4 Bf5 16.Qh4 Ng6 17.Qa4+ Qd7 18.Qa3 Qe7 19.Qb3 0-0 20.Nd5 Qe6 21.Ng5 Qxe5 22.Bb2 Bc2
3. (-0.74): 15.Qh4 Nc6 16.Bg5 Qd3 17.Ne4 0-0 18.Rfd1 Qe2 19.Rac1
4. (-0.76): 15.Qb4 Nc6 16.Qb5 Qe7 17.Nd5 Bxd5 18.Qxd5
5. (-0.84): 15.Qb5+ Qd7 16.Qb2 0-0 17.Rd1 Qc6 18.Nd4 Qc5 19.Bf4 Ng6 20.Ne4
WHITE, Two Knights for two Bishops and a pawn, blunder,
-2.67 25.Nf6. Available,
1. (-1.72): 25.Qh4 Red7 26.Kh2 Qb3 27.Reb1 Qd5 28.Qf4 Qc4 29.Rc1 Qb3 30.Rcb1 Qc2 31.Rc1 Qb2 32.Rab1 Qa2
2. (-1.75): 25.Qf4 Red7 26.Kh2 Qb3 27.Rec1 Qb4 28.Rcb1 Qc4 29.Rc1 Qb3 30.Rcb1 Qc2 31.Rc1 Qb2 32.Rab1 Qa2
3. (-1.75): 25.Kh2 Red7 26.Qh4 Qb3 27.Reb1 Qd5 28.Qf4 Qc4 29.Rc1 Qb3 30.Rcb1 Qc2 31.Rc1 Qb2 32.Rab1 Qa2
4. (-1.78): 25.Qh2 Qb3 26.Qf4 Red7 27.Nfd2 Qb4 28.Reb1 Qd4 29.Nf3 Qc4
BLACK, Two Bishops and a pawn for a Knight, blunder,
+0.86 25...gxf6. Available,,
1. (-2.67): 25...Qf5 26.Rad1 Rxd1 27.Rxd1 c5 28.Nh4 Qg5 29.Ne4 Qxg3 30.Nxg3 Bb3 31.Rb1 c4 32.Nf3 Rd7 33.Ne4 Bc2 34.Rxb6
2. (-2.25): 25...Qc2 26.Ne4 Bf5 27.Rac1 Qxa4 28.Qf4 Bh7 29.Qh4 Rdd7
WHITE, Rook and Knight, for two Bishops and pawn, blunder,
-2.87 28.Nh4. better,
1. (-1.26): 29.Kh2 Bxf2 30.Rxe6 fxe6 31.Qxe6 Rg7 32.Rc1 Bg3+ 33.Kh1 Bd6 34.Re1 b6 35.Kg1 Re7 36.Qf6 Rxe1+ 37.Nxe1 Qe3+ 38.Kf1 Qf4+ 39.Qxf4 Bxf4 40.Kf2
-(#3) 30.Qe7. best Rxe6, -2.87.
|May-31-10|| ||wals: As the old saying goes,
"WHATEVER MOWS YOUR LAWN."
|May-31-10|| ||TheBish: Anderssen vs J Finch, 1851|
Black to play (31...?) "Very Easy"
Candidate moves: Bd5, Rg5, Qxg2+
There appear to be several winning moves, including 31...Bd5 (threatening both Bxg2+ and Rh3#), 31...Rg5 (threatening Qxh4# and pretty much forcing White to throw in the kitchen sink to stop mate), but my choice here (which I didn't see for quite awhile) is...
31...Qxg2+! 32. Nxg2 Rh3#.
The queen sacs start early this week!
|May-31-10|| ||patzer2: The game of the day pun is amusing, but Finch didn't steal anything in this game. He just gave Anderssen a good old fashioned derriere kicking.|
Maybe 29. Kh2!? Rxf3! to would have put up more resistance with some practical drawing chances.
|May-31-10|| ||DarthStapler: Got it|
|May-31-10|| ||zooter: 31...Qxg2+ 32.Nxg2 (only move) Rh3#
Simple and forced but took me a few minutes to see it
|Jun-01-10|| ||kevin86: Mr. Anderssen,often the artist of these queen sacs,finds himself on the receiving end of a doozie.|
Mate in two by Qxg2+ Typical Monday.
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