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|Oct-03-08|| ||MorphysMojo: Whites' problems actually start w/ 5. Bxc6. Why give black the lead in development,and the space? Violate such basic fundamentals: get mated early. Some of blacks' inaccuracies already posted here probably would not make a difference against a player that just did not know to enact what his opponent knew. Adolph knew the opening fundamentals: control the center, develop pieces, gain tempos when possible, and safeguard ones' own king. Mayet played as if he did not know these basics. 4. c3 would have been a much better looking move had white tried 5. a3 instead of the 'black-helping" 5. Bxc6.|
|Aug-30-10|| ||dzhafner: Phoenix's line does seem winning.
9 Nxe5 ...Nxe4
10 Qxg4 ...Bxf2
11R Rxf2 ...Rh1+
12 Kxh1 ... Nxf2
13 Kg1 ... Nxg4
14 Nxg4 ... Qc3
preventing rapid development of the other white pieces.
15 Na3 ... O-O-O
16 b3 ... f5
17 Ne3 ... f4
The idea of an immediate Na3, Ne3, Nac2 doesn't work either do to the f-pawn push.
15 Na3 ... 0-0-0
16 Ne3 ... f5
17 Nc2 ... f4
18 Nb4? ... Qe2
19 Nf1? ... f3 (19 Nec2 ... Re8 ...Qd1+)
(18 Ne1 ... Qe2 19 N3c2 ... g5 20 d4 ... Rf8)
(17 Nec2? ... Qe2)
|Oct-06-10|| ||sevenseaman: Karl Mayet has laid it out on a platter but you got to be Adolf to see the winning combination.|
Looking for the cause leading to the quick defeat, analysis points to the fact Karl overdeveloped the K side and ignored the Q side
|Jul-06-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:
Mayet vs Anderssen, 1859.
YOU ARE PLAYING THE ROLE OF ANDERSSEN.
Your score: 29 (par = 23)
|Jul-15-12|| ||Bezlitosci: According to Rybka, Anderssens's play is simply unsound. After 8. ... hxg4, white would have 0.80 if he played 9.d4. 9.Nxe5 gives about -4.00, but instead of 9... Nxe4 aiming at the pawn on f2 (for example 10.♕xg4 ♗xf2 11.♖xf2 ♖h1 12.♔xh1 ♘xf2+ 13.♔g1 ♘xg4 14.♘xg4 leaving black with a queen for 3 minor pieces, but with a strong initiative caused by the passive position of white pieces |
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) Anderssen played 9... g3 giving white about 2.00. However, Mayet misplayed soon; instead of taking a dangerous pawn with 11.fxg3 he played 11.Qg4 giving black again a decisive attack. After 11.fxg3 black wouldn't have a decisive attack, ex. 11.fxg3 ♘xg3 12.♖e1 ♖h1+ 13.♔f2 ♕h4 14.♘f3+ ♘e4+ 15.♔e2
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and black doesn't have a compensation for his sacrifice; he must retreat now with his queen, game might continue 15... ♕e7 16.♗e3 and white is quite safe.
A coffehouse game
|Dec-05-14|| ||Ziryab: Hoffer and Zukertort (1882), The Chess Monthly states that this game was played during the London tournament of 1851 (p.212). Yet, the Oxford Encyclopedia of Chess Games puts the game in Berlin 1859.|
|Jan-12-15|| ||Smite: This game is trash, you can't get away with that anymore.|
|Jan-13-15|| ||Phony Benoni: Apparently, you couldn't get away with it in 1859 either.|
|Mar-31-15|| ||zanzibar: I found a version ending with 12...Bxf2+ with M-4 to follow in WCL 1952:|
WCL gives it as 1851 London.
In Shibut's <Paul Morphy and the Evolution of Chess> p40 he gives the game as 1851 Berlin.
I wonder who gives it as 1859? I'm leaning towards 1851.
|Mar-31-15|| ||zanzibar: Also <500 Master Games of Chess>
By Dr. S. Tartakower, J. du Mont gives the game as 1851 London.|
<Great Short Games of the Chess Masters>
By Fred Reinfeld gives it as 1851 Berlin.
|Mar-31-15|| ||zanzibar: <The Art of the Checkmate
By Georges Renaud, Victor Kahn> Berlin 1859
|Mar-31-15|| ||zanzibar: <Die Meister des Schachbretts
By Richard Réti> wisely doesn't give either location nor year.|
|Apr-03-15|| ||zanzibar: Doing a little forensics to see where this version of the game came from. |
Key in on Site tag in the pgn - 31232.
(Forever memorialized here on <CG>)
Anyways, a google search quickly yields a potential source, Joel Johnson's
<Formation Attack Strategies (2012)>
featuring games from Brian Wall, Jack Young, Clyde Nakamura, James Rizzitano, etc.
So Joel cites the game as from Berlin 1859, which probably was inherited by <CG>.
|Apr-03-15|| ||zanzibar: Oh, almost forgot, Johnson calls this a "Bishing Pole" game.|
|Apr-03-15|| ||offramp: Zanzibar! You've vandalized the page!|
|Apr-03-15|| ||zanzibar: Ha! <Offramp> it gets even better, I've vandalized my own blog!|
Whereupon the "original" reference is exposed.
|Apr-04-15|| ||offramp: Owing to European width restrictions, the right-hand side of this page is continued at Anderssen vs F Slous, 1851.|
|Apr-04-15|| ||zanzibar: Another famous offhand (or is it offramped?) game from London 1851:|
Anderssen vs Kieseritzky, 1851
|Apr-04-15|| ||offramp: <zanzibar: Another famous offhand (or is it offramped?) game from London 1851:
Anderssen vs Kieseritzky, 1851>
That seems like a reasonable game. I like the pun! Who thought of that?
Mind you, <Kieseritzky beat Adolf Anderssen 7 to 6, with 2 draws> says cg.com.
|Oct-07-15|| ||biffrod: If you put this into Stockfish, as late as move 12, Mayet apparently could have saved himself with 12. Nd3, turning down capturing both the black bishop and the black knight.
Love this old-style Romantic game. Thanks for the contributions on this thread from zanzibar and Aliyah - added three books where this game is listed to my amazon wishlist for later purchase. This game is also the first one in this book, Chess: Win In 20 Moves Or Less by Fred Reinfeld.|
|Dec-04-16|| ||chesslad: This game was actually played in Berlin in 1851, prior to Anderssen's departure to play in the London Tournament of 1851. It is found on Page 35 of Hermann von Gottschall's Adolf Anderssen book.|
|Feb-28-17|| ||The Kings Domain: (lol) Poor Mayet, the punching bag of the top masters of the time.|
|Jun-25-18|| ||takchess: 19/25 gtm. Many years ago i had memorized it.|
|Jun-25-18|| ||takchess: Redid this as I tend to have a few scribing errors per game. On the redo scored 30 on a par 25. These classic GM RAM games are available for the Guess the Move Feature. Game Collection: GM RAM Game Selection|
|Jun-25-18|| ||sudoplatov: At the time, Edo estimates:
Anderssen (2666) #2
Mayet (2341) #66
Morphy (2817) #1
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