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|Feb-01-04|| ||Calli: <Catfriend> Thats 19...Qh3!|
|Feb-01-04|| ||Catfriend: Exactly what I said! The question mark isn't for the move, it's for the question... Or probably the number of fullstops is so important?|
|Feb-01-04|| ||Calli: My eyes must deceive since it still looks like you wrote Qf3 to me. |
|Feb-01-04|| ||Catfriend: oops.... Too much vodka... Sorry, <calli>:) I wanted to write h3, and I knew that idea long ago, but than I had strange idea of my own, but didn't check enough... So it all mixed up...
Thx for showing the error!|
|Feb-03-04|| ||m0rphy: I read somewher that instead of the 6 million dollar move Ra1-d1 Emanuel Lasker recommended be4 as a more efficient winning move as Lasker goes onto suggest how Dufresne could have avoided the mate after the actual move played.It is curious that despite being world champion for so many years, how turgid I find Laskers games as he psychologically ground down his romantic opponents with his efficient style.Indeed I cannot remember one miniature of his that excites the blood. |
|Feb-03-04|| ||refutor: <m0rphy) what about this game? Lasker vs J Bauer, 1889 |
|Feb-03-04|| ||Catfriend: And Lasker-Pirc?|
|Feb-08-04|| ||Youjoin: What could happen if 20..Kd8 ?? :-) |
|Feb-09-04|| ||Catfriend: 21.♖:d7+!!|
|Feb-25-04|| ||matrexius: Calli, neither I nor Fritz 8 can find a forced mate for White after 19...Qh3. |
|Feb-25-04|| ||Calli: <matrexius> can't remember where I saw Qh3 analysis. The followup was 20.Bf1 (forced) Qf5! and it sure looks like black has the advantage. A cooked classic? |
|Apr-18-04|| ||Pterodactylus: My Shredder 8 came up with the insane 19... Bd4?!! as a saving attempt. The idea is to block the d-file and to pursue threats on the h1-a8 diagonal and the g-file. Plausible seems 20.cxd4 Qxf3 21.Be4 Rxg2+ 22.Kh1 Rxh2+ 23.Kxh2 Qxf2+ 24.Kh3 Qxf6, but white is still a long way from winning. Any comments? |
|Apr-18-04|| ||Lawrence: <Ptero>, saving shmaving, nothing insane about 19...♗d4 eval 0.00 according to Junior whereas 19...♕xf3 threw the game away, eval +2.92 (but Fritz doesn't agree). (And Fritz prefers <Calli>'s 19...♕h3.) After 19...♗d4 20.♘xd4 ♖xg2+ 21.♔xg2 ♘xd4+ 22.♖e4 (obligatory, everything else loses) ♗xe4+ 23.♗xe4 (everything else loses). With all due respect to Chernev, Gottshall, Lasker, and Fine, I would say that they never considered all the possibilities.|
The line you give is the same as what Fritz comes up with. Shredder, Junior, and Fritz show that White is indeed a long way from winning, the 2 players have equality.
P.S. Where ya been for the last year?
|Apr-18-04|| ||Pterodactylus: <P.S. Where ya been for the last year?>
Well, obviously analyzing this position...
19...Bd4 20.Bf1 Bxf6 21.Qf4 Rg6 22.Qxc7 Qxf3 23.Rxd7 Kf8 24.Bxe7+ Bxe7 25.Rexe7 Nxe7 26.Qxb8+ Bc8 27.Rxe7 Kxe7 28.Qxc8=
|May-14-04|| ||jjones5050: Any comment on the following?
"20...Kd8 21.Rd7 Kc8 22.Rd8 Kd8" I see no clear win for white and definitely no forced mate.
|May-15-04|| ||poktirity: Nice mate! |
|May-30-04|| ||sergeidave: Can somebody tell me if this game is duplicated in this database? I found this game: Adolf Anderssen vs Dufresne, 1851 and I found two differences... the year and the move before the last one: 23...Kf8 |
|May-31-04|| ||poktirity: sergeidave it must be a duplicate. This mate looks nicer though =). |
|Jul-08-04|| ||Dick Brain: The time and place are wrong. The Evergreen Game (this one) was not played in the London 1851 tournament won by Anderssen (the Immortal Game against Kieseritsky was). The Evergreen Game was a casual game played in Berlin in 1852 (some sources say 1853). |
|Jul-08-04|| ||ChessPraxis: The Immortal Game was played in London in 1851 but not at the tournament. It was a casual game.
Bill Wall wrote: "The Immortal Game is one of the most famous games in all of chess. It was played by Adolf Anderssen (1818-1879) and Lionel Kieseritzky (1806-1853) as an informal game, played at the Simpson's on the Strand Divan in London in July, 1851. etc." |
|Jul-12-04|| ||coxscorner: 20...Kd8 is met with force by 21. Rxd7+!, Kc8 22. Rd8+!, Kxd8 (22...Rxd8?? 23. gxf3) 23. Bf5+, Qxd1+ 24. Qxd1, Nd4 25. Bh3 with clear advantage to white.|
The defense 19...Qh3 seems to hold as 20. Bf1 is about equal.
Objectively best was for white was 17. Ng3! as Anderssen's 17. Nf6+!? was too speculative. After the better 17. Ng3!, Qh6 18. Rad1! White has a strong attack which is decisive.
|Jul-23-04|| ||iron maiden: 11...b5?! reminds me of Kieseritzky's 4...b5 in the Immortal Game. |
|Aug-22-04|| ||aw1988: Er... I believe this is an exact copy of the other evergreen game except the king gets checkmated at d8 rather than f8... I think so anyway.. feel free to correct my stupidity if i'm wrong :) |
|Aug-22-04|| ||chessgames.com: Yes there was a duplicate of this famous game. A little bit of research indicates that most sources show the Black king getting mated on f8 (not d8) and the year is 1852 (not 1851). If anybody believes these details to be incorrect please let us know, by using the link below "Spot an error? Please suggest your correction..." Thanks. |
|Sep-23-04|| ||poktirity: Getting mated on d8 is more estethic though ;) |
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