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|Nov-29-04|| ||cuendillar: Is there a forced mate after 20...Kf8 or does white have to be content with 21.Re3+ ? |
|Nov-29-04|| ||sneaky pete: <cuendillar> No forced mate but still an easy win after 20... Kf8 21.Rxd7+ Ke8 21.Re7+ .. etc. 20... Kd8 was his last chance to offer some resistance, as pointed out earlier on this page. |
|Dec-08-04|| ||Sneaky: Some analysis of this game can be found here http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...|
<A) They concluded that 19...Rxg2? would be no improvement over the game continuation (which was 19...Qxf3?) due to 20.Kxg2 Ne5 21.Qxd7!! etc. winning
B) The move 19...Bd4 (proposed by reader K.-H. Titel from Hameln/GER) was regarded as sufficient for a draw after 20. cxd4 Qxf3 21. Be4 Rxg2+ 22. Kh1 Rxh2+ 23. Kxh2 Qxf2+ 24. Kh3 Qxf6 25. Bxe7 Nxe7 26. Qxa7 Qh6+ 27. Kg3 Qg5+ 28. Kh3 and black cannot avoid the perpetual. Analysis by Paul Schlensker.
C) Their most interesting finding was 19...Qh3! which was assessed as giving black excellent winning chances. (This move was also proposed by reader K.-H. Titel from Hameln/GER) Schlensker gives the main line as 20. Bf1 Qf5 21. Bxe7 Qxf3 22. Bc5+ Kd8 23. Re7 d6 (maybe even better 23... Bc8 24. Bxb6 Rxb6 25. Rxf7 Qh5 ) 24. Bxb6 axb6 25. Rxf7 Qh5 (25... Qf5 may be considered as well) 26. Qb3 Ne5 (threatening Nf3+) 27. Rg7 Rxg7 28. fxg7 Kd7! and White still has to worry after 29. g8Q Rxg8 30. Qxg8 Qxd1.
D) As to 19....Rg4 (Lipke 1898) Schlensker is quoting from the original Lipke analysis that Black has drawing chances after 20. Bc4 Qf5 21. Rxd7 Kxd7 22. Ne5+ Kc8 23. Nxg4 Nd5 24. Qd1 Nd8 25. Re5 Bxf2+ 26. Kh1 Nf4 27. h3 Nxg2 or 20. Re4 Rxe4 21. Qxe4 d6 22. fxe7 Nxe7. However, Schlensker remarked that 19...Bd4 and 19...Qh3! are much clearer continuations than Lipke's move.>
|Dec-08-04|| ||Minor Piece Activity: Thanks, I've never seen analysis of the game before. So it seems to conclude that ...Qh3 wins for black or at least good advantage? That's depressing. :( At least one of the continuations (Bd4) was verified by Lawrence as a true draw. Fritz also found Qh3 but I don't think <Lawrence> mentioned the continuation or the evaluation. |
|Dec-08-04|| ||Sneaky: I don't find it necessarily depressing. The game is still an "Evergreen"... after centuries of analysis it continues to mystify and enchant masters and beginners alike. |
|Dec-08-04|| ||Minor Piece Activity: Especially since most of them like me end up forgetting this analysis anyway.|
...what were we discussing again?
|Jul-05-05|| ||marcwordsmith: Help! I've been wondering about this game for years. I too don't see how White wins after 20...Kd8. Above, coxscorner offered the following line:
"20...Kd8 is met with force by 21. Rxd7+!, Kc8 22. Rd8+!, Kxd8 (22...Rxd8?? 23. gxf3) 23. Bf5+, Qxd1+ 24. Qxd1, Nd4 25. Bh3 with clear advantage to white."
But what about 22...Nxd8!? Looks good to me! If White then tries 23. Bf5+, Black simply responds with 23...Qxf5, which guards against mate on d7.|
|Jul-05-05|| ||beatgiant: <marcwordsmith>
On the suggested 20...Kd8 21. Rxd7+ Kc8 22. Rd8+ Nxd8?, White has <23. Qd7+!> Kxd7 24. Bf5++ Kc6 25. Bd7#.
|Jul-05-05|| ||marcwordsmith: Thanks beatgiant. I see it's the same mating move if Black puts his king on on e8 after Bf5++. Nice.|
|Jul-24-05|| ||Orbitkind: This is the same version of the Evergreen Game that is in The Mammoth Book of Chess Games.|
|Jul-28-05|| ||Montreal1666: Another Analysis of this game by Kasparov:
|Jan-26-06|| ||jamesmaskell: Ah, this is the Evergreen game! I have this down as 1853 though, not 1852 according to my CM 10th Edition. Wierdly enough Richard Reti's "Modern Ideas in Chess" doesnt have the white pawn on a2 at the end of the game!|
|Jan-26-06|| ||hidude: AWESOME!!!|
|Jan-26-06|| ||Boomie: Instead of the ditzy 11...b5, black should just castle. White is hard pressed to achieve equality. For example:|
11...O-O 12. Re3 d5 13. exd6 cxd6 14. Bxd3 Qh6 15. Nbd2 Be6 16. Nc4 Rad8
|Feb-12-06|| ||Joao Quintas Godinho: This game show men capacity of change a Sport to an Art!|
|Mar-17-06|| ||MrMojoRisin: The most analysed chess game ever?|
|Mar-17-06|| ||twinlark: The final position has to be one of the most visually striking tableaus in chess history.|
|Apr-16-06|| ||IMDONE4: A great twin to the Immortal Game. I agree that b5?! is a move that does more harm to black than good. He should stow away his king quickly (as one should do against the Evans Gambit!) and make white fight hard and try to find compensation for his two lost pawns.|
|Oct-19-06|| ||Bufon: I love this game.|
|Dec-22-06|| ||Themofro: I agree with ImDone4. The Immortal Game and Evergreen game definately go well together and do well at illustrating the playing style of that time (one's a King's Gambit Accepted, the others a Evan's Gambit Accepted). Since i love the Evans Gambit though I personaly prefer the Evergreen game to the Immortal game, but thats just me. Also the final mate with 2 bishops on the 7th rank is well worth remembered it does pop up every now and then, I mated someone with it just today in fact, though the king was on e8 not f8.|
|Apr-11-07|| ||Dr.Lecter: Anderssen played a lot of amazing games. What player today can match his originality and genius?|
|Apr-11-07|| ||dovif: Great game what if 22 ... kc6?|
|Apr-11-07|| ||TrueFiendish: if 22...Kc6 23.Bd7 mate.|
|Apr-11-07|| ||keypusher: <what if 22 ... kc6?> 23. Bd7#|
<What player today can match his originality and genius?>
Probably anyone in the top 1000 or so.
|Apr-12-07|| ||elLocoEvans: 50 years later Lasker wrote enthusiastic notes about this game. What a marvellous player was Herr Anderssen, and a true gentleman according to many sources of the time. I bet his followers are not few even today.|
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