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Aug-25-09
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1: Paul Morphy - Adolf Anderssen, Paris m 1858
click for larger viewAnalysis by Rybka 3 : <21-ply> 1. = (0.00): 7...Nf6 8.N5c3 Be6 9.Be2 d5 10.exd5 Nxd5 11.Nxd5 Qxd5 12.Qxd5 Bxd5 13.0-0 Be6 14.Nc3 0-0-0 15.Rad1 Bb4 16.Na4 Be7 17.Bd3 h5 18.b3 b6 19.c3 2. = (0.08): 7...Be7 8.N1c3 Nf6 9.Nd5 Nxd5 10.exd5 Nb8 11.c4 a6 12.Nc3 Bg5 13.Qd2 Bxe3 14.fxe3 0-0 15.Bd3 f5 16.0-0 e4 17.Be2 Nd7 18.b4 3. = (0.14): 7...a6 8.N5c3 Nf6 9.Nd2 Ng4 10.Nd5 Nxe3 11.Nxe3 Be7 12.Bc4 0-0 13.0-0 Nd4 14.Bd5 g6 15.Ndc4 Rb8 16.c3 Ne6 17.a4 Qc7 18.Qc2 Bd7 |
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Aug-25-09
 | | kevin86: Anderssen,himself the master of some many brilliant games,has the tables turned on him by the greatest of his time. |
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Aug-25-09
 | | Chessmensch: I often wonder whether in those days players (like Anderssen in this case) used games to "try something out" even if it resulted in a loss or rout. I call this "research in chess." Nowadays, they do this with their seconds in private, but what was the practice back then? |
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| Aug-25-09 | | Edeltalent: <Capablanca [...] 2 years training in openings & modern theory> Funny thought! Not sure he'd like it, that wasn't exactly his style ;-) |
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Aug-25-09
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1: Paul Morphy - Adolf Anderssen, Paris m 1858
click for larger viewAnalysis by Rybka 3 : <22-ply> <1. = (-0.03): 7...Nf6> 8.N5c3 Be6 9.Be2 d5 10.exd5 Nxd5 11.Nxd5 Qxd5 12.Qxd5 Bxd5 13.0-0 Be6 14.Nc3 0-0-0 15.Rad1 Bb4 16.Na4 Be7 17.Bd3 h5 18.b3 g6 19.Nc5 Bf5 20.c3 2. = (0.14): 7...a6 8.N5c3 Nf6 9.Nd2 Ng4 10.Nd5 Nxe3 11.Nxe3 Be7 12.Bc4 0-0 13.0-0 Nd4 14.Bd5 g6 15.Ndc4 Rb8 16.c3 Ne6 3. = (0.15): 7...Be7 8.N1c3 Nf6 9.Nd5 Nxd5 10.exd5 Nb8 11.a4 Nd7 12.Qd2 a6 13.Na3 0-0 14.Nc4 f5 15.g3 |
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| Aug-25-09 | | psmith: <Honza Cervenka>: In your line after 14...Ke7 15.Qh5 Nxc2+ 16.Ke2 gxf6 17.Qf7+ Kd6 18.Nxa8 Nxa1 19.19.Rc1 Qe7 20.Rxc8 Qxf7 21.Bxf7 Bg7 Old Fritz (5.32) thinks that 22. Be8 is better. |
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| Aug-25-09 | | WhiteRook48: Morphy finds a way to destroy the Sicilian |
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Aug-26-09
| | RandomVisitor: After 14...Ke7 15.Qh5 gxf6 how does white win?
1: Paul Morphy - Adolf Anderssen, Paris m 1858
click for larger viewAnalysis by Rybka 3 :
<[+0.00] d=15 16.Nxa8> Nxc2+ 17.Ke2 Nd4+ 18.Kd3 Be6 19.Rac1 Bxd5 20.Rc7+ Kd6 21.exd5 exf2 22.Qf7 Be7 23.Rxb7 Rf8 24.Qxh7 Rh8 25.Qg7 Rg8 26.Qf7 Rf8 |
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| Aug-27-09 | | psmith: <RandomVisitor> I think perhaps after 14...Ke7 15. Qh5 gxf6 16. Qf7+ Kd6 17. fxe3 White has a good attack. What does Rybka say about that? |
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| Oct-12-09 | | tentsewang: Morphy's key to success was that he always looked forward to his adversary's king lockage in which he encountered great strategies and create a zugzwang position. The game could had went like this-- 17. Ke2 Nxa1 18. Rf1+ Ke7 19. Qxe5+ Be6 20. Qxe6# 1-0 |
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| Apr-02-10 | | The Rocket: "17.Ke2 2.75 (17.Kd2 4.20) "
why is is concidered a misstake when 2.75 wins the game just as much as 4.20 does...... only slower.. |
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Apr-02-10
 | | nimh: <"17.Ke2 2.75 (17.Kd2 4.20) "
why is is concidered a misstake when 2.75 wins the game just as much as 4.20 does...... only slower..> I wasn't especially well versed in computer analyses back then. |
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| Apr-11-10 | | eddisn: Randomness is scary! After watching this game, I immediately set up a 3m blitz between Morphy and Anderssen in Chessmaster: GM Edition (which is a great program). The result left me shocked. After 8 seconds of thinking by Anderssen and 1(!) second by Morphy, they had reached the EXACT same game as here! of course, "Morphy" went on to win, as seen in the PGN below. Has anyone got an idea of how this may occur?
Btw, this is my first kibitzing;)
[Event ""]
[Site "My computer:)"]
[Date "2010.4.11"]
[Round ""]
[White "Morphy"]
[Black "Anderssen"]
[TimeControl "180"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO " "]
1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.Nxd4 e6 5.Nb5 d6 6.Bf4 e5 7.Be3 f5 8.N1c3 f4 9.Nd5 fxe3 10.Nbc7+ Kf7 11.Qf3+ Nf6 12.Bc4 Nd4
13.Nxf6+ d5 14.Bxd5+ Kg6 15.Qh5+ Kxf6 16.fxe3 Nxc2+ 17.Ke2 However, the computer doesn't give up
Qxc7 18.Raf1+ Ke7 19.Rf7+ Kd6 20.Rxc7 Kxc7 21.Rc1 Bd6 22.Qf7+ Kb6
23.Rxc2 Rb8 24.Qxg7 Rd8 25.Qh6 Bg4+ 26.Ke1 Rbc8 27.Rxc8 Bxc8 28.Qxh7 Bd7 29.Qg7 Bc6 30.Bxc6 Kxc6 31.Ke2 Rd7 32.Qf6 Rc7 33.h4 Kd7
34.h5 Rc2+ 35.Kd3 Rxg2 36.h6 Rxb2 37.Qg7+ Kc6 38.Qg1 Kb5 39.a4+ Kb4 40.h7 Rb3+ 41.Ke2 Bc5 42.h8=Q Rxe3+ 43.Qxe3 Bxe3 44.Kxe3 b5
45.Qxe5 a6 46.Kd3 Kb3 47.Qc5 Kxa4 48.Kc3 a5 49.Kb2 b4 50.Qc6# 1-0 |
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| Jun-06-10 | | kingmundi: 14.Bxd5+ Ke7 15.Qh5 gxf6 16.Qf7+ Kd6
Given what happened in the game, and Morphy's style for opening lines, developing pieces... I have to wonder if he wouldn't bother taking the rook in the corner with his knight. Taking the rook seems to take a lot of the dynamic out of the position. What would happen if he went with the thematic fxe3, similar to what happened in the game. 17.fxe3 Nxc2+ 18.Kf2 Qxc7 19.Qxf6+ Kd7 20.Rhd1
This seems more like Morphy to me. It is dangerous to provide long variations as fact, so the following is just fantasy quick computer analysis. 20... Qb6 21.Be6+ Kc7 22.Kc6 Qd8+
White can force a draw here.
23.Bd5+ Kc5
This seems more like Morphy, forcing the king out into open lines. 24.b4+ Nxb4 25.Rac1+ Kb5 26.Qe8+ Ka5 27.Qxe5 Bc5 28.Bf7 Rf8
29.Rxc5+ Ka4 30.Kg1 Rxf7 31.a3
Exploiting the lack of safety for the King and the Queen |
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| Jun-06-10 | | kingmundi: Another line, computer engines don't pick up on right away... More forcing than the 23.Bd5+ above 23.Bd7+ Kc5 24.b4+ Kc4 25.Bb5+ Kxb5 26.a4+ |
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| Feb-24-11 | | Llawdogg: Game Nine of the Match to Mr. Morphy. He has won six of the last seven games and the match is almost over. (6 wins, 1 loss, 2 draws). Two games left. |
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| Jun-22-11 | | DrMAL: Morphy plays unofficial world champion Anderssen and blows him off the board. 6.Bf4 is not "correctly played" as the annotation states (6.c4 or 6.Be2 are probably better) but it is a viable option to provoke 6...e5 with an equal game from here. 7...f5 was inaccurate as annotated, where black normally plays 7...Nf6 or 7...Be6 or 7...a6 and white goes on correctly with 8.N1c3 to gain solid advantage. 9.Nd5 is part of a best continuation that Morphy brilliantly plays. In fact, both play best moves until 11.Qf3+ where Morphy risks his advantage by avoiding the best move 11.Nxa8 for potentially greater gain. Such a decision is egotistical but with good reason, Morphy was simply much better than anyone else in the world. The decision quickly pays off. Both players make their best moves until black blunders with 14...Kg6 (14...Ke7 was necessary) and Morphy annihilates him. It must have been a huge humiliation! |
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| Jan-27-12 | | TVCHESS3JAQUES: 14...Ke7!? 15.Qh5! gxh6 16.Qf7+ Kd6 17.Nxa8
The complications have yet to be favorable to Viktor Moskalenko white
Las complicaciones aśn deben resultar favorables a las blancas Viktor Moskalenko |
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| Feb-24-12 | | dionysisgalanis: The mistake was ...14.Kg6. The correct move is ...14.Qxd5! |
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| Jul-30-12 | | LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:
Morphy vs Anderssen, 1858.
YOU ARE PLAYING THE ROLE OF MORPHY.
Your score: 19 (par = 18)
LTJ |
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| Aug-15-12 | | drpavno1: Nothing would have been ground breakinh even if black had played 14.....Ke7 as white would have moved Qh5 with an attack on f7 and e5 both resulting in check and ultimately mate. |
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| Apr-14-13 | | TheTamale: I have NEVER UNDERSTOOD this game. The assumption is the finish is a slam-dunk for White. Why can't Black just take the rook, weather a barrage of checks, and emerge way ahead in material? Does White have some decisive way of preventing that? (Or am I just that much better than Anderssen, Morphy, and every commentator who's ever lived? Hmm...) |
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| Apr-14-13 | | disasterion: <TheTamale> After 17 ... Nxa1, white has 18.Rf1+ Ke7 19.Qxe5+ Then either 19 ... Be6 20.Qxe6#
or 19 ... Kd7 20.Be6+ Kc6 21.Rc1+ Kb6 (21 ... Bc5 22.Qxc5#) 22.Qb5# |
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| Apr-14-13 | | TheTamale: <disasterion>: Thanks so much; you are my new hero. |
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| Apr-15-13 | | disasterion: <TheTamale> Why thank you. Now you've said that I can confess that it took me longer to find than I'd expected, and it's not such an obvious resignation as it first appears. |
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