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| Mar-08-04 |
| Whitehat1963: Ouch!! Anderson gets his backside handed to him on a pitchfork!! |
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| Feb-24-05 |
| aw1988: This is one of those games where you have to ask yourself... "who cares if this is sound??". |
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| May-16-05 |
| fgh: <aw>: Actually, this attack is pretty sound. |
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| May-16-05 |
| aw1988: I didn't say it wasn't sound, I say that's what you ask yourself, because it is so beautiful. |
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| Jul-12-05 |
| fgh: <aw1988>: Well, I see you included this game into your game collection "Einstein". As I said earlier, I don't consider this to be a very difficult game, as for a analysis. |
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| Jul-12-05 |
| aw1988: Oh, I'll double-check; maybe. |
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| Jul-12-05 |
| aw1988: My collection isn't so much about analysis as it is for difficulty of playing it... but you're right, this isn't sufficient. Thanks. |
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| Aug-12-05 |
| 50 Quatloos Newcomer: I usually don't get emotional about chess, but this is just a drop dead sexy game, here |
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| Aug-12-05 |
| Ziggurat: According to a recent Chess Note by Edward Winter, this was not an actual game but the result of an analysis session between Anderssen and Lange. |
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| Nov-27-05 |
| Saruman: 14.Rxg5 hxg4+ 15.Rh5 Rxh5#. |
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| Jan-18-06 |
| MorphyMatt: 20. Kh1 Bf2+ 21. Kg1 Qg1# is Max Langes mate |
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| Mar-14-06 |
| Dodd: Now, why don't you see games like that anymore? Just wondering... |
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| Mar-19-06 |
| Dodd: Hey Urosov, how long would it have took to win with Q-e1? I don't have a computer to analyse these things - what would be the follow up? |
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| Oct-23-06 |
| sneaky pete: This game was first published in by Ludwig Bachmann in <Geistreiche Schachpartien>, 1893, with a different finish: 15... Qf2 16.g3 Qxg3 17.Qf1 Qxg4 18.Qxf7+ Kxf7 19.Bxd5+ Ke7 20.Bg2 Qh4+ 21.Bh3 Qxh3#.
The noisier mate 15... Rxh5+ etc stems from James Mason's <Social Chess>, 1900. Most likely Anderssen resigned after 13... h5! |
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Oct-23-06
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| Calli: <sneaky pete> Its not a game at all as it turns out. Lange published it in "Der Meister im Schachspiel" in 1881 as analysis by he and Anderssen. He says: "In dem nachfolgenden Anfange der spanischen Partie, welcher gelegentlich einer analytischen Untersuchung zwischen Anderssen (Weiss) und M. Lange (Schwarz) zu Breslau 1859 vorkam, ergab sich nach den Zügen ..." See Chess Note 3888 for the full story:
http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... |
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| Apr-03-07 |
| Silverstrike: In Vladimir Vukovic's book "art of attack in chess" he gives this game as finishing 15.g4 Qf2 (rather than 15...Rxh5+) 0-1 . Could anyone help? |
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Apr-03-07
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| tamar: <Silverstrike> See previous notes by <Ziggurat> and <Calli> If indeed this was analysis rather than a real result, it gives an insight into Anderssen's training methods. He was more an investigator than player, and perhaps this is just the tip of the iceberg in games that he allowed to be played out from positions unfavorable to him to discover the truth about a combination. |
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| Dec-05-07 |
| sneaky pete: This game was published by Nimzowitsch in the Baltischen Zeitung, Riga, June 5, 1918, as played (at an unknown date) by Anderssen vs Dufresne. Nimzowitsch states the game was shown to him in 1902 by the Berlin master Harmonist and gives the finishing moves 15.g4 Qf2 16.g3 Qxg3 17.Qf1 Qxg4 0-1. After 12... Qg5! he comments: Auch an alten Partien lassen sich moderne Prinzipien erläutern: der weiße Bauer g4 bildet die "Angriffsmarke" zur Oeffnung der h-Linie mittels h7-h5. Die Angriffsmarke soll aber zuerst u n b e w e g l i c h gemacht werden. |
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| Mar-03-08 |
| Amarande: I have only ever seen the ending given as <sneaky pete> indicates. The last time I saw this game was in Renaud & Kahn's <The Art of the Checkmate>, pp. 79-80, where the authors give the variation cited by <sneaky pete> as the actual game variation, and after move 17 there is an annotation that ends with "but one century ago the fight was carried on to the bitter end." Given that so many of the other memorable games of the time were also carried on to mate (including Anderssen's own two most famous wins) I see no reason to believe that Anderssen himself would have resigned in this game, and am inclined to regard Renaud & Kahn's annotation as true. I have also never seen the ... Rxh5+ variation published in any major book (and I do recall seeing this game in a second book as well but cannot recall the title offhand), which also inclines me to believe that the variation given by Renaud & Kahn and cited by <sneaky pete> as the correct score. |
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Mar-03-08
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| Calli: Again, this is analysis, not a game. Read the Chess Note 3888 which is linked in my post of Oct 23, 2006. |
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| Aug-04-08 |
| chessqueenie: why doesn't white take bishop when its forked on move 9??? |
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| Aug-04-08 |
| Octal: <chessqueenie>: Analyze the position after 9. fxg4? Qh4+. |
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| Aug-16-08 |
| ravel5184: 9. fxg4? Qh4+ 10. Ke2 d3+! 11. Ke3 (Kxd3 Nf2+, cxd3?? Qf2#) Bc5+ 12. Kf4 g5+ 13. Kf5 Qh6 and mates next. |
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| Feb-25-09 |
| solskytz: Actually the attack is not quite sound. I find ...Ne4 outrageous. This can't work. White castles in the next move, but after that, if he plays Qe1 on the next move rather than taking on g4, he escapes the pin, puts power into the fork, and covers the squares that later become critical, g3 and h4. He should win big material after this. |
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| Oct-11-09 |
| jon01: It is a really lovely game. I discovered it after researching the theme of Greco's mate.
click for larger view1. Bc4+ Kh8 2. Ng6+! hxg6 3. Rh1# |
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