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|Sep-04-04|| ||patzer2: White's 19. Qxg7+! is listed as the solution to number 4929 in Laszlo Polgar's 1994 book "Chess, 5334 Problems, Combinations and Games."|
While it is a "pawn demolition" combination, the followup 21. Rg8+! is a classic example of using the "discovered check" tactic to deflect the King and set up a mating combination.
|Sep-04-04|| ||pawn52: A very nice combination. |
|Sep-08-04|| ||drjimmy42: I thought I was being all smart not doing 21. Rg8+ and not losing the rook. Just do Rg1+ to reveal the bishop check with the same effect. But then Nc4xBb2 would ruin the whole thing. These guys are amazingly clever. |
|Sep-08-04|| ||DtO: 17.Kh1 is a very subtle yet essential move. Very nice play! |
|Sep-08-04|| ||jaime gallegos: is 5333+1 problems ! the last one is a Lazlo Polgarīs creation ! |
|Sep-08-04|| ||Shadout Mapes: This is one of those mating patterns that you should memorize, I recognized it from my early days of chess development. |
|Sep-08-04|| ||erikcu: Good point <drjimmy42>. I must say that I failed this puzzle on that very point. I was thinking why not finish him quickly with 21. #Rg4... but it is not so. One has to do Rg8+. |
|Sep-08-04|| ||Hidden Skillz: ye dr jimmy it has to be a check by the rook or its all over..cos it isnt a double check if Rg1..anyways this shouldnt be hard to find out.. |
|Sep-08-04|| ||misantrooppi: Now there's a forced mate if I ever saw one, great combination :) |
|Sep-08-04|| ||MoonlitKnight: I saw 19.Qxg7+ Nxg7 20.Rxg7+ Kh8 21.Rxf7+ Kg8 22.Rg7+ Kh8 23.Rg6+ Rf6 24.Bxf6+ Qxf6 25.Rxf6 and figured that was it. |
|Sep-08-04|| ||Papablanca: Is that Polgar book good for chesstraining for a approx 1800 player? |
|Sep-08-04|| ||Chesspatch: yay, i saw this move. |
|Sep-08-04|| ||Insightful: I saw 21.exd5 Nxb2 22.Rxh7+ Kg8 23.Rg1+ Qg5 24.Rg5#. But now I see that 21... f5 refutes. |
|Sep-08-04|| ||iamdummy: pillsbury mate. complete book of chess statregy |
|Sep-08-04|| ||ChessPraxis: <Papablanca> Yes, the Polgar book is a fantastic chess training book. I'm rated just over 2000 and started using the book this summer. I wish I had it years ago. The funny thing is I saw it in the bookstore several years ago and even glanced in it but I thought that it was basically a collection of artistic chess problems. However, though many of the positions are composed, they are well related to real chess situations. The Polgar sisters grew up on the core of this book. |
|Sep-08-04|| ||ChessPraxis: <MoonlitKnight> In your line, after 23. Rg6+ Black could play 23... Nxb2. |
|Sep-08-04|| ||EyesofBlue: My one comment: The Polgar book is good, but there is (in my humble opinion) one serious flaw. It only lists the first move as the answer for each problem (at least my version does). So if there is a mate in three, it will just give you the first move, rather than all three moves. This might seem like a minor issue (and many times it is), but it can be annoying. |
|Sep-08-04|| ||JustAFish: Wow, what a beautiful combination. Qxg7 was instantaneously visible, as was Rxg7 and the discovered check theme with the bishop on b2 was always lingering in the background. But, given the fact that after a rook move to discover check, say by playing 21 Rxf7+, black would simply take the bishop b2 bishop, I imagined a move like 21 Bxc4... but that, of course, fails to the simple 21... d4 where white, with two pieces now en prise, must give back a piece. |
21 Rg8+, a double check, provides a beautiful solution to the problem! Alas, I failed to see it.
|Sep-08-04|| ||fiftybyfifty: I got this one but, like so many times, it was only because the heading tells me "White to play and win". I would've missed this in the real world. |
|Sep-08-04|| ||Mistereous1: Question, in studying the whole game, I was trying to figure out when set up for the final combination started.|
I'm thinking 13 0-0 clinched the end, but the idea started after 11 Bg4 and just a little patience waiting for the castle.
|Sep-08-04|| ||notyetagm: Very nice <Pillsbury mate>: 19 Qxg7+! Nxg7 20 Rxg7+ Kh8 21 Rg8++!! Kxg8 22 Rg1+ Qg5 23 Rxg5#. That 21 Rg8++!! double check is a killing blow, setting up the standard Pillsbury mating pattern involving a bishop on the a1-h8 diagonal and a rook on the g-file.|
Note that a non-checking move from the rook allows the simple ... NxB on b2, meeting a discovered attack by capturing the now unmasked line piece. So the rook discovery needs to be a <double check>.
Lesson learned: <Always examine double checks!>
|Sep-08-04|| ||Giancarlo: <White's 19. Qxg7+! is listed as the solution to number 4929 in Laszlo Polgar's 1994 book "Chess, 5334 Problems, Combinations and Games.">|
I have that book, but never realized that!
|Sep-08-04|| ||Knight13: Easy. |
|Sep-08-04|| ||kevin86: I have seen this game before,so it was easy to solve;note,after white's ♖g8+ that black has both of white's checking pieces under fire,but could only take the rook with the KING. He then is exposed to the white rook from the southwest corner. Also note how white cocks his rifle with ♔h1 followed by ♖g1---he then reloads with ♖g1+ and then,mate |
|Sep-08-04|| ||ThomYorke: Moonlitknight, 21)Rxf7+ is not possible cause of Nxb2. A double check was necessary to win. |
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