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Jakob Rosanes vs Adolf Anderssen
Breslau (1862)
King's Gambit: Falkbeer Countergambit. Anderssen Attack (C31)  ·  0-1
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Sep-21-05  Halldor: Similar mate pattern as yesterday, therefor I found the solution. Nice when the puzzles have such a forced winning line.
Sep-21-05  YouRang: What do you think of 14. O-O-O? Looks like castling into the attack to me. Perhaps 14. Bc3 is better.
Sep-21-05  Saruman: I solved this in 7 seconds including 19.-Be3+.
Sep-21-05  snowie1: No, 17.Qa5 don't fail <zabbura2002>, as ..Kb2 18.Rxb3+..axb3 19.Rb8 and the lady will now visit a4 or, 18...Kxb3 19.Rb8+ and same result. It's too late from this position_for white to recover without black making some blunder. (oversight for masters)
Sep-21-05  YouRang: <YouRang> <Perhaps 14. Bc3 is better.> You idiot! 14. Bc3 loses the knight to 14...Bxg1. Black is already screwed before move 14!
Sep-21-05
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  kevin86: White's decision to long castle was a dubious one-with black's queen and bishop focusing on his b-pawn.

The sac is obvious;the rook mate on b1 is inescapable. The final check can be answered by four interpositions and a capture,but mate follows on b1.

Sep-21-05  Simplification: <jahhaj> and <artemis> Thanks. I missed that the knight was pinned.
Sep-21-05  EmperorAtahualpa: Oops, I made some spelling mistakes, this is what my kibitz was supposed to look like:

"17...Qxb3 was indead an easy one to find, but I'm not sure if all of us thought of the brilliant move 19...Be3+! I didn't see that move, because I overlooked Black's rook neatly positioned on d8!

By the way, I had a look at this game with Crafty, and White could have saved this game with 17.g4!"

Sep-21-05  TheSlid: <Saruman> I know - "sweet as a nut" - a lovely finish!
Sep-21-05  Koster: Games like this give 0-0-0 a bad reputation.
Sep-21-05  Iron Dragon: One problem I always have with puzzles is that I am wrong with what the other side will do. I can't foresee my own moves if I screw up what the other guy does. What the heck is the point of 19.Be1???
Sep-22-05  psmith: <Iron Dragon> 19. Be1 prevents immediate mate (19... Rb1) by providing a flight square (d2) for the White Queen. 19... Be3+! takes away that square (R on d8) leading to mate.
Sep-22-05  psmith: <Emperor Atahualpa> Above, it was suggested by <the beginner> that 17 g4 Qa5
18 Kb2 Bc5
19 gxf5 Rxb3
would be good for Black. some analysis with chesslab.com's engine seems to confirm this: 20 Ka1 Rdb8
21 Be1 Qb6
with winning attack (according to the comp.)

This line seems very complicated though. What does Crafty say to these moves?

Sep-22-05  psmith: A bit more to my last -- according still to the comp, white's attack is winning after 22. axb3 Qxb3; the main line is actually given as 22. Qe4 Rb2 23. Qb4 Rxb4 24. cxb4 Bxg1 winning.
Sep-22-05  The beginner: <psmith>

I think you meant black is winning ?

22 axb3 ..Qxb3

The threat is ..Qa4+ Qa2 ..Qxd1+ Qb1 Qxb1 mate.

White can try some desperate things like

23 Rd8+ ..Rxd8

Again black will win after Qa3+ Rb8+ Qa2+ Rd8+ forcing the king out in the open. where it will be mated.

Sep-22-05  psmith: <The beginner> "I think you meant black is winning?"

Of course -- it was late when I typed that!

Nov-05-07  nimh: Rybka 2.4 mp, AMD X2 2.01GHz, 10 min per move, threshold 0.33.

Rosanes 4 mistakes:
10.d3 -1.77 (10.Nxf6+ -0.63)
14.0-0-0 -2.52 (14.Nf3 -0.84)
15.c3 -6.22 (15.Bc3 -2.52)
17.Nf3 #5 (17.g4 -3.04)

Anderssen 2 mistakes:
11...Nxe4 -0.76 (11...Bf5 -1.77)
16...Red8 -3.04 (16...Qa5 -6.10)

Jul-13-09  Bitme: yes nimh I'd play this amazing 16.Qa5 that makes the force winning which would go like this 17.Kb2-Bc5 18.b4-Rxb4! 19.cxb4-Bd4+ 20.Kb3-Be6+ 21.Kc2-Qxa2 and then black forces mate within few moves. amazing play from Anderssen could foresee that and make all of us enjoy his games till now
Oct-03-09  kasparvez: Guns and Rosanes
Sep-10-10  sevenseaman: Bizarrely entertaining! These muscular convulsions are also a part of chess.
Nov-20-14  yureesystem: Anderssen is the man, a master of attack.
Nov-03-16  Petrosianic: <nimh>: <Anderssen 2 mistakes: 16...Red8 -3.04 (16...Qa5 -6.10)>

Wrong. A move that leads to a sure and certain win cannot be considered a mistake. Blind reliance on engine evals is itself a mistake.

Nov-03-16
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  perfidious: <Petrosianic....Blind reliance on engine evals is itself a mistake.>

Same for blindly trusting in others' annotations or comments on games.

My own included.

Jan-12-19
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  sea7kenp: I need to correct a Game Link, left Sept 7, 2003 by <AussiePatzer>:

Keres vs Botvinnik, 1941

This link works. (The original may have been a Duplicate).

May-27-19  Marcelo Bruno: A battle between two chessmasters that were mathematicians, too!
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