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|May-20-08|| ||whiteshark: <myschkin> Nice to see you again! For some time past Martin Bier page became neglected.|
|May-20-08|| ||myschkin: Ups ...
nice to meet you <Dnunez>, hi <<whiteshark>> (thought I was invisible) ... so to both of you: whatever questions may arise - user <WannaBe> is well of knowledge and can put things straight!
das köpfchen dröhnt noch immer, wie ne kleine kirchenbimmel - bitte den salzstreuer und das fingerchen flux beiseite gelegt. fühle mich ihnen in keinstem belang auch nur halbwegs erwachsen^^
|May-20-08|| ||Waitaka: <dzechiel> Well, it looks like I am the one to blame! :)|
<dzechiel> Thank you very much for your input. Just a question. Look at the King in first place was a reflex or it is a systematic approach? Or maybe a systematic approach that become a reflex over time?
|May-20-08|| ||prinsallan: Got this, but also missed the bishop block of the check. Seems thatI would have played as the textmove if this would have occured so no biggie.|
|May-20-08|| ||moppa: Wow. It's nice to see two black pieces that are worse than useless. (In the ...cxd6 line)|
|May-20-08|| ||xKinGKooLx: 2/2 for the week. I saw 23. Qxd6 cxd6 24. Ba5+ b6 25. Bxb6# quickly, but this line was so obvious my chess blindness kicked in and I missed the bishop block. However, I'm certain I would have seen 24. Qxe7+, and probably the follow-up 25. Nxd7 after a lot of thought, so I'm going to give myself the point for today.|
|May-20-08|| ||Lostin space: Got the queen "sac" quickly enough, but missed the reply Bd7. (Btw I note I have chosen practically the same username as lost in space: and thought for a moment what's going on here until I realised it wasn't me! Since "lost in space" was there before me, is there anyway I can change my username to avoid confusion?)|
|May-20-08|| ||Marmot PFL: The first things to look for in such positions are checks and captures. Rex7 and Qxd6+ are the candidates and since taking the queen allows mate and declinng also leads to mate after Qxe7 Kc8 Nxd7 that pretty much solves it. |
One thing that stands out in 19th century chess is how poor defensive play was before Steinitz. Black just takes whatever he is offered and gets involved in unimportant tactical skirmishes with no concern for development or king safety.
|May-20-08|| ||johnlspouge: Tuesday (Easy): White to play and win.
Material: Down B+2Ps. The Black K has no legal move, above all suggesting an examination of possible checks (of which there is only one) for a final, fatal check.
Candidates (23.): Qxd6+
23…cxd6 24.Ba5+ b6 25.Bxb6#
In my eagerness for this line, like others I omitted the alternative ways of responding to 23.Qxd6+.
(2) 23…Nd7 Qxe7#
(3) 23…Bd7 24.Ba5
threatening 25.Qxc7# or 25.Qxc7+ Ke8 26.Qd8#.
24…b6 25.Bxb6 (renewing the threat)
25…Ra7 26.Qxe7+ Kc8 27.Bxa7
and Black's position will collapse soon. Line (3) seems very complicated for a Tuesday.
Hmm, I also missed the (obvious!)
(3) 23…Bd7 24.Qxe7+ Kc8 25.Nxd7 Nxd7 [else, down material]
26.Qe8+ Rxe8 27.Rxe8#
Anderssen obviously had some flair for what he did :)
|May-20-08|| ||Lostin space: After 23…Bd7 24.Qxe7+ Kc8 25.Nxd7 black could interpose Rd8 and mate is not so obvious to me. Black is then "only" a piece down|
|May-20-08|| ||zb2cr: Hi <MostlyAVerageJoe>,|
Thanks for taking the time to run it through your silicon monster, and to write up your reply. You always contribute to my chess education.
I hadn't considered any Knight move other than the actual text or the sequence 22. ... Ne5; 23. Bxe5, dxe5;
24. Qxe5, Bxf6 (to protect the mate); 25. Rxf6 when White does have a win. I had not considered the very strong defensive move ... Nf5, either on move 22 or as an "in-between move" in the line 22. ... Ne5; 23. Bxe5, Nf5!
|May-20-08|| ||TheaN: 2/2
Hm. I'm giving the point here as Black's position is completely hopeless after 24.Qxe7, but I didn't notice White was down a Bishop and that 25.Nxd7 is actually much stronger than I thought.
23.Qxd6+! is the key move and only saving move, and the followup after that would've come OTB anyway.
23....Bd7 (Nd7 24.Qxe7# / cxd6 24.Ba5+ b6 25.Bxb6#), however:
24.Qxe7+ creates a hopeless position for Black, where even 25.Nxd7 doesn't seem to be necessary to win, with such a development advantage. I keep it at that.
|May-20-08|| ||playground player: To say that 19th century chess masters played lousy defense fails to give due weight to the fearsome offenses they were up against. It's not so easy to play "good defense" against Morphy! But as Lefty O'Doul once said, "Good pitching stops good hitting, and vice versa."|
|May-20-08|| ||newzild: It took me a wee while to get this because the first candidate move is to sac the exchange. So my thought process went like this:
22. Rxe7 Kxe7 23. Re1+ Kd8 24. Qxd6+ ... oh, hang on a minute, can't I play that immediately?|
|May-20-08|| ||chrisowen: now for two artisans of the game this is typical beer gut play. attack down the flank,leave the king in the middle and get a knight on the back rank. retreating it here to b8 sets up the queen sac but took me longer to find this one than i thought.|
|May-20-08|| ||Mate Hunter: A risky variation of the Muzio Gambit is the following line:
8. Bxf7+ Kxf7 9. d4 Qxd4+ 10. Be3 and Black is completly lost...|
|May-20-08|| ||Marmot PFL: <playground player> You are right, Morphy and Anderssen were great attacking players, but when they played Morphy stopped his attacks almost before they got started (Anderssen was a little out of practice). I'm not a Morphy expert but it seems he was the first to apply, with both colors, the ideas of 1. Central control 2. rapid development of all pieces, not just attacking with a few, and 3. timely return of material to break the attack. The main reason I talked about Steinitz instead was Morphy's career unfortunately was much too short.|
|May-20-08|| ||Marmot PFL: I went to the Morphy page and picked a game at random-
J McConnell vs Morphy, 1850
Contrast how Morphy played that game with black's play here. Morphy takes just one pawn and then calmly develops while white ignores his queen side pieces and tries to attack. By move 15 black is ahead in development, counterattacks and quickly wins.
|May-20-08|| ||kevin86: An odd ending;white will regain his sacrificed piece after 24 ♕xe7+ ♔c8 25 ♘xd7-with a piece gained in interest. If 25...♘xd7? 26 ♕e8+ and mate next.|
If 23...cxd6 24 ♗a5+ and mate next move. Open the door for your...mystery date!"
|May-20-08|| ||YouRang: Another case of immobile king, so find a winning check.|
Here, the best piece to deliver a fatal check is our DSB, if only we can displace the c7 pawn (allowing Ba5#).
How to move Pc7? Easy: 23.Qxd6+!
Actually, black isn't forced to move his c7 pawn, as he can block w/ his bishop via 23...Bd7 (...Nd7 blocks the check too, but it leaves the king immobile allowing 24.Qxe7#).
But now black will lose his e7 knight in addition to the pawn, and it looks like more suffering is on its way. Better to resign.
|May-20-08|| ||gawain: Although it is Tuesday I looked for the Q sac right away and Voila there it was: Qxe6+! Except that I did not bother to look at any black reply except the capture and follow-up Ba5+. My bad.|
|May-20-08|| ||schaaktrainer: Also 23.Qe2 interesting move to keep and build on the killing position:|
1.Qe2 Be6 2.dxe6 Nbc6 3.exf7 Bxf6 4.Bxf6 Qg3 5.Qe6 h3 6.Bxe7+ Nxe7 7.Qxe7+ Kc8 8.Qe8+ Rxe8 9.fxe8(Q)#
|May-20-08|| ||Once: Interesting to see the role that 19. ... a6 played in this game. If this pawn had stayed at home it would have defended b6 and so made white's combination impossible. I always find it amazing that games can be won or lost on such small details.|
There are a number of keys in this position that scream tactics: the far advanced knight on f6, the white rook controlling the e file, the black minor pieces on the back rank and the stalemated black king.
As <YouRang> and <Dzechiel> point out, a stalemated king begs to be checked to death, even if we have to sac material to give the last check.
|May-20-08|| ||234: Monday puzzle <27. ?> May-19-08 Lahno vs N A Malmdin, 2007|
|May-22-08|| ||patzer2: For the Tuesday May 20, 2008 puzzle solution, Anderssen's 23. Qxd6+! exploits Zukertort's 22...Nb5?? blunder with a mating attack.|
See <johnlspouge>'s and other analysis here for a more in depth look at the winning variation. See <MostlyAverageJoe>'s post for the winning improvement for Black's 22nd move.
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