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|Jan-25-08|| ||hesyrett: This game is identical to Zukertort vs Anderssen, 1865 except for Anderssen's 11th move, which is 11...b6 in this game and 11...c6 in the other. If these are two distinct, legitimate games (not just variant versions of the same game), the question arises as to how Anderssen, one of the world's best players at the time, could have fallen for the same combination twice in the same year against the same opponent.|
|Jan-20-09|| ||dwavechess: Zukertort 14/17 concur with Rybka 3 at 3 minutes per move|
|Apr-20-09|| ||Autoreparaturwerkbau: 12.? Monday, morning, someday?|
|Aug-17-09|| ||Ravenheart: As Whitehat1963 says its a complete obliteration!....Hats off to Zukertort....Zukertort at his best over here...12.Qxg8 is simply fabulous!!!!....I just love the forks|
|Jun-27-10|| ||asiduodiego: Hahahahahha, nice game!. One could imagine the face of Anderssen when 12. Qxg8!! . "What the...? oh, the fork"|
|Oct-12-10|| ||rapidcitychess: Good ol' Wild Muzio! I just might take up the King's gambit again!|
|Nov-23-10|| ||sevenseaman: May be this is the worst arm-twisting Anderssen has suffered!|
|Aug-01-12|| ||andyatchess: Development punishes an overzealous attack|
|Feb-28-13|| ||morfishine: Give Anderssen credit for passing on the 'unchivalrous' 12...cxd5 (trying to keep the Queens on in an exchange down game)|
|Feb-28-13|| ||Abdel Irada: <morfishine: Give Anderssen credit for passing on the 'unchivalrous' 12...cxd5 (trying to keep the Queens on in an exchange down game)>|
That defense might have been worth a try. Note that after 13. Qxh8, dxc4 14. Bh6, Qe7 Black is not the exchange down; he has bishop and knight for rook and pawn, and stands well *if* he can survive. His position remains uncomfortable after 15. Rae1, but I see no immediately decisive breakthrough.
|Feb-28-13|| ||Castleinthesky: The pun ought to be "When the Muzio Stopped" x 3 There are two duplicates of this game in the database!|
|Feb-28-13|| ||kevin86: Anderssen fell to Zukertort in this wild one. The windmill costs black a rook in addition to white gaining back the queen.|
|Feb-28-13|| ||morfishine: <Adbel Irada> I was thinking ahead in that Black would have to play either Be6 or Ne6 giving the piece back, and playing on down the exchange...but White can force the Queens off anyways...perhaps thats why Anderssen played it out like this...who knows|
|Mar-01-13|| ||Abdel Irada: On further examination, it is clear that White can force a win after all.|
Play might continue: 12. ...cxd5 13. Qxh8, dxc4 14. Bh6, Qe7 15. Rae1, f6 16. Rxf6, Nf7 17. Qxf8†, Qxf8 18. Bxf8 and if 18. ...Kxf8 19. Ref1, Be6 20. d5 , while after 18. ...Bd7 or ...Bg4 19. Bxd6, and with the exchange and three pawns to the good, White wins handily.
(If there is any improvement for Black, it will have to come on move 15, but I see no better move given White's ability to play d5 followed by e5, opening the e-file at a time when interposing on e6 will cost a piece.)
Good job looking deeper, <morfishine>.
|Mar-01-13|| ||morfishine: <Abdel Irada> Thanks for looking! Thats exactly what I saw too. This was too obvious for me to bother questioning Anderssen's judgement...|
On a side note <patzer2> has pointed out the real culprit is 5...Qe7 when Black must accept the offer 5...gxf3: Zukertort vs Anderssen, 1865
|Oct-09-14|| ||Kramsalov: Great game! Interesting that 11.Qg3 was not stimulated and it means that before 12..c6 Zukertort knew that he will play Qg8! Very beautyfull!|
|Mar-14-15|| ||Phony Benoni: This game was published in the "Brooklyn Daily Eagle", January 19, 1893, but with Anderssen as White. That is probably just a mistake, but it would still be nice to have an earlier citation. (The writer in BDE received the game from "Mr. Babson of Montreal".)|
|Mar-14-15|| ||sneaky pete: <PB> Do you really think Chessgames.com doesn't make mistakes?|
The Oxford Encyclopedia also has Anderssen playing White. Their source is Neue Berliner Schachzeitung, 1867. Game played in Breslau, June 6, 1865.
|Mar-14-15|| ||Phony Benoni: <sneaky pete> Thanks. I've found the reference (December 1867, p.362), amidst a series of games between the two. However, it is dated as June 22,1865. (I wonder if the players realized that was Morphy's birthday.)|
That should be definitive, since both Anderssen and Zukertort were involved in the production of the journal.
|Mar-14-15|| ||sneaky pete: <PB> Yes, it's June 22. My tiny brains were confused by <22.vi.65> after, with an extreme effort, having translated <vi> in <6>.|
|Mar-14-15|| ||offramp: In the King's Gambit, the faster white can sacrifice a piece the better.|
|Feb-28-17|| ||The Kings Domain: Did Anderssen's imagination know any bounds?|
|Oct-18-17|| ||kevin86: Hit and hold fork point of this one.|
|Oct-18-17|| ||playground player: I see the name of Adolf Anderssen, and I know it's gonna be great.|
|Feb-09-18|| ||schnarre: ...<playground player> Indeed!|
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