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|Aug-28-07|| ||greensfield: The black rook controls the e file & both Bishops are poised ready to move to the h file where they can home down on the King. White's only defense at the moment to the bishops attack, is the Knight on f3 and the pawn on g2. Now <12...Qxf3> puts paid to that:- |
if <13.gxf3> whites defense is demolished. <13...Bh3+ 14.Kf2
(14.Kg1 Re1+ 15.Kf2 Bh4#) Bh4+ 15.Kg1 Re1+ 16.Qf1 Rxf1#>
and if <13.Kg1> the end is even quicker <13...Re1+ 14.Qf1 Rxf1#>
|Aug-28-07|| ||realbrob: I spent some time looking at the position without success (I tried different things - 12..Re1+, 12..Qxf7, all blunders). Then I saw that, in a very simple way, the queen sac on f3 allowed a check on h3 by the LSB, and everything became clear.|
|Aug-28-07|| ||nimzo knight: Ya, I can solve. And I can do even more so when I know there is a solution.
But the thing is Andresson saw it before moving Re8. And thats the tough part. To imagine not just a sac, but a position in which the sac can be made. I dont think any books teach this or probably can. You can't look for candidates moves and find this. Well unless u r Fritz (i m not talking of the guy playing white).|
|Aug-28-07|| ||outplayer: <nimzo knight> Chess is imagination.|
|Aug-28-07|| ||Crowaholic: <Fezzik> has said that this could be a 2 or 3 star puzzle. This seems to be hard to justify. I found this one truly easy, barely harder than yesterday's. Sure, I have learned to look for queen sacs on Mondays and Tuesdays after all... but then, once you look at 12. ..Qxf3+ 13. gxf3 it's immediately obvious that there follows Bh3+ and all the rest is just working through a very small number of short variations all of which lead to mate with constant check. And it's not hard to see that if the sac is declined with 13. Kg1, there is Re1+ to mate next move.|
I agree with other kibitzers that the more impressive part is Anderssen seing this mate as he was playing 11. ..Re8.
<qus inn: it is "Bodens Mate">
Isn't Boden's mate a mating pattern with the bishops (only) where their lines of attack intersect? In this game, their lines of attack are parallel (also, the rook is necessary, too, to mate).
|Aug-28-07|| ||YouRang: Had black's DSB already been at h4, this would have been a Monday puzzle:
12...Qxf3+ 13. gxf3 Bh3+ 14. Kg1 Re1 and mate next.
Here, one needs to realize, before the queen sac, that there is still time to bring the DSB to h4 after the queen sac. THAT makes it a Tuesday puzzle. :-)
|Aug-28-07|| ||newton296: man i suck , 0- 2 already|
|Aug-28-07|| ||kevin86: I answered this one;I was first looking for a crossfire mate with bishops at h3 and d4 after the queen sac eliminates the knight and white's king protection. When that proved impossible,I went for bishops h3 and h4 aided by the rook if the king tries to escape to g1. Mission accomplished.|
It looks like a Monday puzzle-but it was a mate in FIVE-not two,which seems to be a Monday limit.
|Aug-28-07|| ||Breunor: I'm with Nimzo Knight. Yeah, tell me, 'This is a chess puzzle, there is a winning move, and its a game from Anderssen' I finally found the answer. I would not have found this over the board without all of those advantages.|
|Aug-28-07|| ||Imaslowlearner: White could have avoided the Q-sac and forced mate simply by delaying his attack on f7, moving 12. Qb3. This would necessitate Black moving his Q to avoid the fork, say 13. Qf5 to defend the doubled f-pawn.White now has a twice attacked, once defended situation at b7 as well. At this point White is not in great shape, but it's better than the result.|
|Aug-28-07|| ||ILoveCrazyhouse: Anderssen was a 2400 donk.|
|Aug-28-07|| ||zb2cr: Took me about a minute. I saw the possibility of a position like Boden's mate right away, but since Boden's mate involves the Bishops delivering checkmate in a 'criss-cross' pattern, I kept looking for ... Bd4. Of course, this allows White to take the Black Bishop on d4 with check. But I was so taken with the idea of 12. ... Qxf3+ that I kept at it. Finally, I saw the other possibilities in the position. |
Oddly, I was hung up the longest by seeing the variation:
12. ... Qxf3+; 13. gxf3, Bh3+; 14. Kg1, Re1+; 15. Kf2, Bh4#.
For some reason, my board vision was giving me the hallucination that in this case, the f3 square was not blocked.
|Aug-28-07|| ||HFlew: This seemed really tricky for a Tuesday.. .|
|Aug-28-07|| ||xKinGKooLx: 2/2. I saw the answer within a few seconds. But I do like how Anderssen plays 11. ...Re8 to tempt Riemann to fork his Queen and Rook with 12. Bxf7, and then hits him with a great combination. The move would be a bit harder to find if you were playing someone at the time. Nice game.|
|Aug-28-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <xKinGKooLx: 2/2. I saw the answer within a few seconds. But I do like how Anderssen plays 11. ...Re8 to tempt Riemann>|
For the second time: Re8 is the best move in the position, even if the white does not play 12.Bxf7, but something more sensible like 12.d3.
The fact that it tempts white to make the suicidal fork is just an icing on the cake.
|Aug-28-07|| ||patzer2: White solves today's puzzle and wins with a mate-in-five combination, starting with 12...Qxf3+!|
|Aug-28-07|| ||playground player: If there's no Queen sac, it's not an official Adolf Anderssen game--so that's a hint right there.|
I was wondering about these puzzles. Often in my games, especially when I'm in trouble, I find myself looking for that one golden move that'll turn it all around. I very seldom find one. I wonder if puzzle-solving feeds that mind-set. Any thoughts?
|Aug-28-07|| ||Magic Castle: <mostly average joe: would you give sufficient thought to Bxf7?> Well, as a player, Re8 would give me goose bumps that some trap is being laid. The move is too cheap to be true. So Bxf7 appears unpalatable or at least deserves full investigation. Being a Capablanca follower, I learned to respect opponents moves, even if he appeared to be a chess player of lesser strength.|
|Aug-28-07|| ||Monkey King: Andersson gets redemption for his blunder in yesterdays puzzle game. Nice Puzzle.|
|Aug-28-07|| ||dzechiel: <playground player: I wonder if puzzle-solving feeds that mind-set. Any thoughts?>|
Speaking for myself, I know that it does. Early in my chess career I read the book "Chess Traps, Pitfalls and Swindles" from cover to cover, and immediately I started looking for, and sometimes finding, sacrificial combinations in positions where I would otherwise have overlooked them.
|Aug-28-07|| ||aazqua: Absolutely trivial. These games really are terrible. e5? Ridiculous.|
|Aug-28-07|| ||cyruslaihy: the kings gambit is just reckless and unsound|
|Feb-18-10|| ||blazerdoodle: <Chess Traps, Pitfalls and Swindles>|
I remember that book. Lost it. I wonder if it's still in print.
|Mar-02-12|| ||squaresquat: Queen's on the Fritz|
|Feb-09-18|| ||schnarre: ...Beautiful Queen sac!|
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