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|Feb-28-05|| ||beatgiant: <InspiredByMorphy>
Against the suggested 10...Rf8 11. d4 Kg8 12. Nc3 Bg4 13. Qd3 Nc6 14. Be3 Nxe4 15. Rxf8+ Kxf8 16. Rf1+, Black can reply <16...Kg8>. Then I don't see a winning attack for White.
For example, if White tries 17. Nxe4 Qxh4 18. Qb3+ Kh8 19. Qxb7? Rd8 20. Qxc6 Qh3, Black appears to be winning.
What did you find for White against 16...Kg8 in this line?
|Mar-05-05|| ||InspiredByMorphy: <beatgiant> <10. ... Rf8 11. d4 Kg8 12. Nc3 Bg4 13. Qd3 Nc6 14. Be3 Nxe4 15. Rxf8+ Kxf8 16. Rf1+ > < ...Kg8 17. Nxe4 Qxh4 18. Qb3+ Kh8 > 19. Ng5 h6 20. Qxb7 Rg8 21. Nf7+ Kh7 22. Qxc6 is a winning attack. Or against 17. ... Nb4 18. Qb3+ Qd5 19. Kxh2 Re8 20. Bd2 Qxb3 21. cxb3 Rxe4 22. Bxb4 white produces a winning attack. Better for black is 14. ...Qd7 15.Qc4+ Kh8 16.a3 Bh3 where it appears black is winning. Ive concluded that black gets the better of it after 10. ...Rf8 |
|Mar-05-05|| ||beatgiant: <InspiredByMorphy>
Thanks. Do I understand correctly the point of your line is if Black tries the ...Qh3 motif, White has Nxh6+ as in <10. ... Rf8 11. d4 Kg8 12. Nc3 Bg4 13. Qd3 Nc6 14. Be3 Nxe4 15. Rxf8+ Kxf8 16. Rf1+ Kg8 17. Nxe4 Qxh4 18. Qb3+ Kh8 19. Ng5 h6 20. Qxb7> 20...Rb8 21. Nf7+ Kg8 22. Qxc6 Qh3 23. Nxh6+! (which I overlooked before).
Then 23...gxh6 24. Qg6+ Kh8 25. Qf6+, etc. or 23...Kh8 24. Rf2 would leave White on top.
This seems to refute the attempt with 14...Nxe4 in the line above. So Black might play 14...Nh5, continuing to attack the weak points on White's kingside. It still looks good for Black, but admittedly it would be a double-edged position and a lot more complicated than I previously thought.
|Mar-05-05|| ||InspiredByMorphy: If 10. ...Rf8 11.e5 Qd5+ 12.Nf6 Ne4 13.Kxh2 Kg8 and if 14.d3 Bg4 where material is equal but the position is not. It is black who has a positional advantage due to development. |
|Jan-10-06|| ||morpstau: Paul Morphys rating after Modern theory would be know less than 2975. He had complete sight of the board and never blundered. He played rapidly rarely using over a couple of minutes to determine a move. He always showed curtisy to his weaker opponents and always was extremely polite and well mannered, a through and through gentlemen and pioneer of the royal game of chess.|
|Feb-06-06|| ||Knight13: Sac after sac. Aggression after aggression. Many killer moves. Morphy's style. Worked like a monster's claw. :)|
|Dec-09-08|| ||heuristic: 22.Ng6+ Kg7 23.Nxh5+ looks interesting.
23...Kh6 24.Qf6 Qe6
23...Kxg6 24.Rxg4+ Qxg4 25.Qxg4
23...Bxh5 24.Nxe5+ Kh6 25.Qf4+
27...Qe2+ looks drawish
28.Kh1 Qd1+ 29.Rg1 Qh5 etc ...
|Dec-28-08|| ||YoungEd: On move 27, Black's ...Re8 lets White play a nifty combo to trade all the pieces into an easily won pawn endgame. But the superficially attractive 27. ...Nf4 loses to 28. Qd7+ followed by mate on g7. So I guess Black was lost prior to that.|
|Dec-28-08|| ||Emma: It must have been like playing against a force of nature.|
|Jun-29-12|| ||sevenseaman: Its always a pleasure replaying the classics.
Its a bit of a disillusionment that after all the pyrotechnics up until middle game is over, we are left with the elementary P promotion end game.
|Jun-29-12|| ||think: I love games like this where so many pyrotechnics happen in the midgame and the winner ends up with a tiny advantage that is barely enough to take home the point. Crazy game!|
|Jun-29-12|| ||Llawdogg: I remember this one! It's great to see the classics again.|
|Jun-29-12|| ||TheBish: Amazing to see an old-fashioned swashbuckling game turn into an elementary pawn-plus endgame. Looking up, I notice that <sevenseaman> said basically the same thing!|
|Jun-29-12|| ||FSR: As prior commenters have observed, 10...Rf8! is better, as in B Wall vs T Magee, 1980 (0-1, 20).|
|Jun-29-12|| ||King Death: I never heard of Bertin, isn't this called the "Wild Cunningham" when White offers all of these pawns?|
|Jun-29-12|| ||FSR: <King Death: I never heard of Bertin, isn't this called the "Wild Cunningham" when White offers all of these pawns?>|
That's what I'd always heard it called. As for Captain Bertin, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph... (written by me). I'm not sure what his connection to this gambit was.
|Jun-29-12|| ||Calli: Besides Bird, Morphy was playing De Riviere, Boden, Barnes and Loewenthal at the same time.|
|Jun-29-12|| ||lemaire90: Very nice game !|
|Jun-29-12|| ||kevin86: The white e-pawn is only a decoy. When white takes the black pawns-he would have an heir and a spare to queen with.|
|Jun-29-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Awesome game from WC Morphy!
|Jun-30-12|| ||PaulLovric: <LoveThatJoker: Awesome game from WC Morphy!
LTJ> LIKE and what is WC|
|Jun-30-12|| ||I play the Fred: <LIKE and what is WC>|
William Charles, Paul's real name.
|Jun-30-12|| ||RookFile: You could take this game, remove the names of the players, and tell somebody that Tal played the white pieces. If he didn't know the game, he would believe you.|
|Jun-30-12|| ||scormus: <RookFile> What!!! You mean it WASN'T Tal? Hey, don' thet jes beat all ;) ;)|
|Jul-03-12|| ||PaulLovric: Thanks <I play the Fred: <LIKE and what is WC>
William Charles, Paul's real name.>|
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