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|Nov-01-08|| ||thebribri8: How did a player as good as Bird not see Rh2! ?|
|Nov-10-08|| ||thebribri8: Oh. I see now. He had no other choice!|
|Jan-09-09|| ||dwavechess: 10/12 concur with Rybka 3 at 3 min. per move for steinitz|
|Feb-23-09|| ||WhiteRook48: ...Qxg2?? is a really bad move.|
|Mar-13-09|| ||sfm: <WhiteRook48: ...Qxg2?? is a really bad move.>
Right. But unfortunately any other move is even worse!|
|Dec-14-09|| ||JG27Pyth: 8...Qg4 is a terrible move. It doesn't take a master to see the Queen is running out of squares. You can see that h2 forces Qxg2, so makes sense to check if the Q survives that, and she doesn't. And this wasn't blitz. Sometimes Bird looks awfully weak to me. |
As for Steinitz and Morphy having similar styles. Well, yes and no! Young Steinitz was called the Austrian Morphy for his fantastic combinations ... but of course mid-career, Steinitz dramatically and profoundly rethinks his whole approach to chess. He devises (and publishes) his theories of positional chess. He practices what he preaches, too... beating, and baffling, his opponents, with a slowed down sort of chess that had a lot of the contemporary chess world booing... but it's hard to boo a dominating champion for long. Steinitz was the first great theorist of chess. (Okay, Philidor was, but that poor guy was so far ahead of his time he couldn't people to listen!)
|Dec-22-09|| ||felixd: Lol I'm French and I didn't even see it...|
|Dec-22-09|| ||Richard Taylor: I was looking for German and Fraench words in one other clue, but not this one...|
well <fekixd> you have no excuse! Even I know "oiseau" and my French is very limited!!
But I probably wouldn't have found it - I mean it could have been in Japanese, Greek, Zulu, Swahili, Maori or Mongolian - then where would we all be?! - next year! I have some experience now! I'll do massive language course and a course in triva...
|Sep-16-10|| ||nvrennvren: "I can See that Steinitz, Morphy and Anderssen all had simular style of Play."|
they are completely different.
steinitz father of closed game(pawn structure)
morphy father of piece developement (positional)
anderssen is one of the most famous players of romantism era.
good at sacrifice attack.
so,Steinitz >Morphy >Anderssen . but they are people from different time.
|Sep-16-10|| ||anandrulez: Bird was thoroughly outclassed here .|
|Nov-30-10|| ||slowtyper77: "Morphy's chess carrer lasted from 1848 to 1869, on the other hand, Steinitz"s 1859 to 1899. 1859 to 1869;they have this long period are common. so why didn't the 2 greatest ever meet over the board?" |
morphy probably was not playing top level chess after steinitz really began to play, especially because morphy did not see chess as a profession. Morphy was probably playing 8 simultaneous blindfolded games at odds (or something to that end) while steinitz was playing world class players.
|Jan-26-11|| ||GrahamClayton: Here is a game where Black's Queen is trapped after only 8 moves:|
Frazer vs Taubenhaus, 1888
|May-14-11|| ||theodor: ''Like a Bird on the wire
Like a drunk in a midnight choir
I have tried in my way to be free
Like a worm on a hook....''
|May-31-11|| ||devanshking: The game should have been longer than it actually started.But, Bird wouldn't have much play except formality.Still, I would have recommended black to keep on playing until mate.And, Steinitz might error and give Bird a chance of survival. People will say to me White was a very excellent player and couldn't have made any error but he is a human and humans can commit mistakes anytime.|
|Jun-11-11|| ||squaresquat: The shortest game I know between two titled players with forgotten names:
|Jul-20-11|| ||PawnOfProblems: <m<a<t<t<z<a<p<>>>>>>>> You should know. Use the advanced search and pick "Number of moves is no more than" and type in a number!!! Didn't you know before??? >:||
|Nov-30-11|| ||Penguincw: Black already losing their queen cannot afford to lose another piece. And it looks like they will or the king.|
|Feb-04-12|| ||ajax333221: did this game actually happened?
I am disappointed
|Feb-05-12|| ||thomastonk: <ajax333221: did this game actually happened?> Yes, it was part of match.|
But why you are disappointed: it was Bird who lost. He was an amateur player who had a longer break from chess, and when the match was stopped (because of Bird's urgent business reasons) he was only slightly behind his strong opponent (+5, -7, =5).
|Mar-22-12|| ||SAM WOLFE: It might be possible for Black to survive after 4...Nf6 5.Nxf6+,Qxf6, and maybe even to have a reasonably playable game, but I think 4...Be7 followed by 5...Nf6 would have spared him a lot of problems. Black's key error was in failing to defend f6 properly before he put a knight onto it;protecting f6 with the Q was a bad idea.|
|May-28-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:
Steinitz vs Bird, 1866.
YOU ARE PLAYING THE ROLE OF STEINITZ.
Your score: 15 (par = 17)
|Jul-09-12|| ||The Last Straw: I think 8...Qg4 gets a question mark.|
|Mar-21-13|| ||ACEchess: True. 6...h6 was required to prevent 7.g5.|
|Apr-27-13|| ||PawnSac: <The Last Straw: I think 8...Qg4 gets a question mark.>|
Lets put it this way..
After Qg4 the queen is lost. Qa5+ instead gave black a little more squirming room, but the error came on move 6. Black had to play either Qd8 or h6
|May-11-13|| ||Mendrys: My guess is that when he decided on 8...Qg4 Bird had expected or considered 10. Rg2 Qxh3 instead of the text. In this case he may be doing fine, at least according to Houdini but I would not be feeling the least bit comfortable being up 2 pawns in this position:|
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