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Wilhelm Steinitz vs Henry Edward Bird
Londen m 1866  ·  French Defense: Rubinstein Variation (C10)  ·  1-0


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May-10-05   schnarre: 1. e4 e5 2. Qh5...sheesh, even I'm loathed to play that one!
Dec-21-05   EmperorAtahualpa: <Sneaky> I am looking for the first ever kibitz on this site! Is your kibitz of Dec-23-01 the first ever on this website or were there before you?
Dec-22-05   Chopin: This game is painful to watch. Bird got slaughtered. It's bad enough that he lost his Queen, but then a knight. If NxB then Qd8 is mate.
Dec-22-05   Chess Classics: Why all the miscelanious chat on this page?

Also, personaly I thought Bird's first mistake was Nf6, but could have kept himself alive by taking the bishop with the g-pawn. Actually, Nc6 was a blunder too, but this early in the game, tactical shots are hard to see in moves that seem so natural.

Regards,
CC

Dec-22-05   EmperorAtahualpa: An important lesson from this game: "The queen is a middlegame piece."

Instead of 6...Nc6?!, I think Black should have played 6...h6. And if not that, then Black should have played 7...Qd5 (or perhaps 7...Qa5+) rather than 7...Qf5?!.

Dec-22-05   Kangaroo: I doubt if the chess rules allow such moves as <<7...Qd5> (or perhaps <7...Qa5+>) rather than <7...Qf5?!>> kindly recommended by <EmperorAtahualpa>

Your Majesty, the Queen cannot move from <f6> to <d5> or <a5>!

Even if you order Her to do so. Rules are the same for all pieces on the board.

Dec-22-05   EmperorAtahualpa: <Kangaroo> LOL, time for me to wake up!! I was first going to write my suggestion 7...Qg6, but then somehow jumped from move 7 to 8. Sorry.

Anyway, 7...Qg6 then, as played in J Horvath vs H Martin, 1960. There, Black still loses but not entirely due to the bad position of the queen.

Jan-13-06   schnarre: <EmperorAtahualpa> Worry not!
May-13-06   MagnaPsygnosis: That is very..interresting...mmm

I can See that Steinitz, Morphy and Anderssen all had simular style of Play.

Who will win

Wilhelm Steinitz vs. Paul Morphy

May-13-06   TylerD: "Who will win
Wilhelm Steinitz vs. Paul Morphy"

Well, the popular answer is Morphy (people tend to scream it when this question is posed) but personally I d say Steinitz - and with little doubt. Steinitz played wird and wonderful chess that would have left Morphy gasping for air... Sure, in a match, a couple of the games would have been swift, KO-wins for Morphy... But sometimes he would be beaten in the whirlwinds that he himself stirred upn (Steinitz could handle Chigorin, so there is no reason to believe that he would not have handled Morphy even better), and, more often, he would have been strategically beaten. Steinitz was the most profound thinker/philosopher the game had ever seen up to that point... And maybe he still is... It took a Lasker in top shape - and a whole new type of chess - to beat Steinitz.

May-13-06   MagnaPsygnosis: <TylerD>
Thank you, now lets take it 5 steps further

P Morphy vs B. Fischer

Sep-22-06   s.ahmed: Morphy"s chess carrer lasted from 1848 to 1869, on the other hand, Steinitz"s 1859 to 1899. 1859 to 1869; this longer period are common. so Y didn"t these 2 greatest meet over D board?
Sep-30-06   MagnaPsygnosis: <s.ahmed>
mmmm.... youre correct...
Y?
Dec-16-06   Rubenus: Black should have done 5...gxf6
Mar-03-07   mattzap: This game as the demo game is wonderful. What a win, 12 moves, this must be one of the shortest on the database.... BTW, anyone know which win is the shortest?
Oct-01-07
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  Rodrigo Gutierrez: <Rubenus: Black should have done 5...gxf6> Maybe 6... h6 would have been enough...
Feb-01-08   D.Observer: <mattztrap>, we have games of zero moves here in the chessgames database!
Mar-23-08
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  Knight13: That's why 6...h6 is required.
Sep-06-08   ravel5184: Oldest kibitz on chessgames.com?
Sep-06-08   AnalyzeThis: <Knight13: That's why 6...h6 is required.>

6...Qd8 is the best move.

Nov-01-08   thebribri8: How did a player as good as Bird not see Rh2! ?
Nov-10-08   thebribri8: Oh. I see now. He had no other choice!
Jan-09-09   dwavechess: 10/12 concur with Rybka 3 at 3 min. per move for steinitz
Feb-23-09   WhiteRook48: ...Qxg2?? is a really bad move.
Mar-13-09   sfm: <WhiteRook48: ...Qxg2?? is a really bad move.> Right. But unfortunately any other move is even worse!
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